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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (16576)	6/13/2001 12:05:17 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I am surprised and pleased to find you looking seriously at the Waco situation. There has been a mainly successful campaign by the government to tar everybody who worries about what happened at Waco as a right wing milita extremist. (A perfect description of you?!) The initial incursion by federal agents was unlawful, and under Texas law a homeowner has an absolute right to defend his or her property by force against unlawful incursions. It is one of the few remaining remnants of a society which once believed in personal freedom. It is heartening to see someone of your views expressing concerns about what happened at Waco, and believing, I hope, that there is a warning there to the American people that has not yet been fully absorbed.

To: Solon who wrote (16576)	6/13/2001 3:15:49 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"Killing innocent people is never justified. NEVER." I take the position that it is never justified to "target" innocent people. Many an innocent person has been killed by another through accidents. Innocent persons may also be killed by getting or being in the line of fire when a just person is mounting a defense against a tyrant. I don't think it is justified to target them with intent or even as "acceptable losses" to meet a political objective (as in the case of Iraqi villagers).

To: Solon who wrote (16576)	6/13/2001 11:09:13 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Killing innocent people is never justified. NEVER." KILLING???? INNOCENT???? PEOPLE???? NEVER???? JUSTIFIED???? NEVER???? Haven't you heard? Never say never, Because saying never is "absolutely" never allowed!!!!!!! Are these just words? Do they have any contact with the real world? Here's a good one from a book I picked up over at the recycle depot. I guess they missed the trash bin. "THE RIGHT TO LIFE" "We can speak coherently of a right to life only as a claim-right, correlative to a duty not to kill and not to do things that things that are likely to cause death. Fundamental though such a right is, it cannot be absolute. As the world is, wars and revolutions cannot be ruled to be morally completely out of the question. The death penalty, I believe, can. The prearranged killing of someone at a stated time is a special outrage against the humane feelings which are a central part of morality,..."blah blah blah. Mackie, "ETHICS (inventing right and wrong)" How does that song go? "FEEEE-lings, nothing more than FEEE-lings..." At least he's not pretending that reason is the central consideration as you try to. I guess that rule doesn't cover all the little babies that are summarily executed every day At three o'clock appointments through unnecessary abortions. Watching you defend abortion, while railing against unjust killing, is just about enough to make my skin crawl. You are right about TM not being innocent though. His execution was just, don't you think? Why are people who are for the "RIGHT" to kill innocent unborn children, also the same people most likely to oppose the death penalty? "For the sake of the children," Ah yes, the children. That has a certain ring to it. I think I once heard that just as I was being set adrift. LOL! It does seem to be a handy excuse. "Smack Water Jack" would have heartily approved.