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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (9959)	6/15/2001 4:58:26 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

So therefore, you are saying that, in essence, the government literally holds a gun to our heads (if you force them to that) to turn over part of the income (wealth) individuals produce. What a lovely concept of "liberty". This proves that the participants in the Whiskey Rebellion were right and their dire predictions of the future were also right on the mark, doesn't it? Damn that Gallatin!

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (9959)	6/15/2001 6:06:39 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

My little Merriam Webster dictionary seems to back you up: tax n 1 : a charge usu. of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes 2 : a heavy charge : strain (c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved. Anyway, At the rate we're taxed today, I would count any mechanism that transfers more wealth from individuals to the State as destructive what ever you call it. Would you count the cost of complying with regulations as a tax? I would. The difference between taxation and lotteries is that if you do not pay taxes, you can go to jail; that will not happen if you do not buy lottery tickets.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (9959)	6/15/2001 7:32:01 PM
From: CVJ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 59480

State-run lotteries are not taxation. They are lotteries. The difference between taxation and lotteries is that if you do not pay taxes, you can go to jail; that will not happen if you do not buy lottery tickets. A slightly different perspective: If you do not have a job or other income or own property (all of which are voluntary, albeit highly desirable), you do not pay taxes just as with not buying lottery tickets. But if you do participate in any of those circumstances, you pay taxes. If you buy a lottery ticket, you pay a tax, because (in CA) 34% of the ticket price is designated for the State financed education system. 50% is returned as "prizes" and 16% goes to expenses. A tax by any other name is still a tax, and it's not voluntary. In general terms, you have income, you pay taxes; you own property, you pay taxes; you spend money, you pay taxes.