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To: robert b furman who wrote (48136)6/19/2001 12:39:26 AM
From: John Trader  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
Robert, Thanks for the detailed explanation. So maybe the one big difference between this industry and the semiconductor industry is that the semi industry never had to deal with these Rbocs, which are apparently as slow as molasses. Maybe that is the answer, my GLW will dive from here because these guys will put the brakes on. If so, kind of sad. Hope it works out otherwise.

John



To: robert b furman who wrote (48136)6/19/2001 11:35:56 AM
From: Kirk ©  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
The main point is technology is just beginning in fiber optics much like transistors and IC back in the 60's.

This is not true. Fiber optics may be 20 years behind transistors in the timeline, but it is hardly just starting.

I have notes from a seminar I attended in 1979 where HWP (now Agilent people) were taking a 10 MB/s module out of the labs and making a multiplexer for ethernet with it. We had all our terminals running on it in the office by 1981 or so... factor of 1000 in 20 years is the growth rate in bandwidth, more or less.

Not to quibble, but some of us have worked on fiber for a long, long time before it got popular and it has seen the same sort of growth in bandwidth as transistors. There is an additional variable besides speed and that is distance as the pulses of light spread and thus limit bandwidth.

Anyway, not a complain other than I don't want people to think fiber is "just getting started"... as it isn't. One of the big reasons to make faster transistors is to switch the lasers off and on faster to drive the fibers. Of course, these are made with GaAs which is much faster than Silicon.

Kirk out



To: robert b furman who wrote (48136)6/19/2001 11:44:30 AM
From: Jacob Snyder  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
 
OT re last mile broadband:

Doesn't it seem more likely that the RBOCs will continue their past pattern of sitting on their hands, and we'll have to wait until competing and totally independant last-mile routes are built? I'm thinking cable, and fixed wireless (like MMDS).



To: robert b furman who wrote (48136)6/19/2001 3:01:39 PM
From: John Trader  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
 
Future Growth in Tech: Robert, Regarding those Rbocs, I think at some point there will be a fire built under them to get moving faster, but I don't know when this will happen. If boomers can afford huge houses, fancy, gas-guzzling automobiles, and Starbucks double-grande mocha's (or however you say it), then I think they will want high speed web access. Once you have it, it is kind of like having running water for the first time, you don't want to give it up. Applications will be a factor of course. For example I predict the local video rental stores will go the way of the buggy whip at some point. I don't know how this turns out, but maybe at some point some independent companies start running their own lines to houses and also to the more expensive apartment complexes, bypassing the Robocs. Is this possible? Maybe someone can comment on this. I have a friend who would probably climb the telephone poles himself if he were allowed to run a high-speed line to his house. I think it may be like a dam breaking at some point. It is crazy to think that technological progress such as Moore's Law would be significantly impacted by some local bureaucrats instead of some hard physical limitation (~10-20 years out?). We need bandwidth growth I think to make use of chips now - just look at PC's, they are really only used to connect to the web these days, and if the connection speeds don't increase, who is going to upgrade their PC? Even wireless growth hinges on web access improving. Boeing is getting into the technology of hooking up web access on airplanes. I work in the aircraft business and know that they are very cost conscious regarding additions to aircraft. I think they are betting right. Also, look at INTC, they are moving into communications chips to get new revenue, so either they are making a dumb move (communications chips directly tied to the growth of bandwidth) or else bandwidth growth will be the driver. So, what I am saying is if the growth in bandwidth slows down significantly as some are suggesting, we are all out of luck, even AMAT investors. If the Rbocs don't have the cash to upgrade their "last-mile" connections, maybe they will get bought out at some point by companies that are able to raise the cash. I think capitalism will prevail over incompetence, and I think high bandwidth web connections will be demanded by consumers at some point, hopefully soon.

Thoughts?

John