Apparently, countries where abortions are illegal are no safer for fetuses, but are much more dangerous for mothers. This is obvious to anyone. It is a simple statement of FACT. Nothing is being inferred. FACT. You can make up the reason "WHY."
You say: You have not established it as fact. You have shown numerous times that abortions still happen when it is illegal but that doesn't mean that they happen as often particuarly in countries where contraception is readily available.
Unfortunately for you, I posted the stats showing almost identical abortion rates between the countries where it was legal or illegal!! THEREFORE (huge bit of logic coming at you here <gg>), "countries where abortions are illegal are no safer for fetuses."
You can pretend that I did not post this several times all you like: "In any given year, 34 abortions occur per 1,000 women in the developing world, and 39 are performed per 1,000 women in developed countries." You can pretend you don't see it now <vbg>!! But it is a fact, and you have seen it, and I don't care if you don't like it! I would respect you if you said you didn't like it, rather than I DON'T SEE IT!! But, suit yourself!
LOL, Tim--I've dragged it right in front of your face several times. The fact that you wish to deny that countries which do an EQUAL number of abortions are of EQUAL risk to fetuses is something that no longer concerns me. I've looked at those web sites you use, and if those are the kinds of sources you rely on, then it is truly a pity.
The numbers show nothing of the sort. They only shows that there are a handful of countries that you can name were abortion is illegal but the abortion rate is very high. I posted a handful myself where it was legal and the rate is even higher. You didn't even make an attempt to consider the overall abortion rate in countries where it was legal and countries where it was illegal.
LOL! Once again: it is not that you don't like it-but that you just didn't see it, right??!!
You definitely didn't try to factor out other issues which effect the number of abortions, or even just compare countries that are similar in other respects besides the abortion laws
I definitely <g> did not do dat. But I did show you dat dere were no correlation between prevalence of abortion and legality, and I showed you with the best statistics available. (NO! NOT Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who states himself that he is a liar--HA!)
OH, Hell! I'll show you again. You probably didn't see it!!<ggg>
"Yet, while it may seem paradoxical, a country's abortion rate is not closely correlated with whether abortion is legal there. For example, abortion levels are quite high in Latin American countries, where abortion is highly restricted. (In fact, 20 million of the 46 million abortions performed annually worldwide occur in countries with highly restrictive abortion laws.) At the same time, abortion rates are quite low throughout Western Europe, where the procedure is legal and widely available. Also, Eastern and Western Europe have the world's highest and lowest abortion rates, respectively, yet abortion is generally legal throughout the Continent.
If legality is not the determining factor, what drives the rates at which abortions occur in a given country? Clearly, a key factor is the rate at which women experience unintended pregnancies--itself a function of the interplay between a couple's family-size (and timing) goals and their contraceptive use.
Abortion levels are high in countries where the desire for small families is strong but contraceptive use is low or ineffective. For example, in most of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics, where desired family size has been small for many years, modern contraceptive methods were not generally available until recently. As a result, women relied on abortion--which was legal, safe and easily accessible--to regulate births. However, as contraceptives have become much easier to obtain in recent years, the situation has begun to change rapidly, and abortion rates in some of these countries fell by as much as 50% between 1990 and 1996.
In sharp contrast, even in countries where abortion is legal and widely available, abortion rates are low if couples practice contraception effectively to limit or space births. In the Netherlands, for example, where abortion has been legal and widely accessible for many years, abortion and unintended pregnancy rates are low because of widespread contraceptive use.
Legality and Safety
When abortion occurs under legal conditions, it is usually performed early in pregnancy by a skilled practitioner using an accepted medical or surgical method in a hygienic setting; in such circumstances, the risk of complications and maternal morbidity is low. However, when abortion is largely illegal and must be performed clandestinely, it often is unsafe; in such situations, complication rates and maternal morbidity skyrocket.
The death rate associated with abortion is hundreds of times higher in developing regions, where the procedure is often illegal, than in developed countries (Table 1). The rate is highest--almost 700 deaths per 100,000 procedures--in Africa. Since well-off women in cities are frequently able to obtain safe abortions even when it is against the law, the majority of deaths and complications from abortion occur among low-income women and women living in rural areas who undergo unsafe, illicit procedures."
BTW, I THINK THOSE WEB SITES YOU ARE USING ARE TRASH. Do you rely on them for all of your thoughts on abortion/religion/etc.? |
