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To: Solon who wrote (17141)	6/20/2001 12:22:12 AM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

& they say I'm extremist: abcnews.go.com

To: Solon who wrote (17141)	6/20/2001 5:25:50 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

in developing regions, where the procedure is often illegal, than in developed countries (Table 1). The procedure may be illegal in a number of devloping countries but that doesn't make developing a good proxy for illegal, or developed a good proxy for legal. Also even if almost every developing country outlawed abortion (and this is not remotely close to being true) there are many other differences between developing and developed countries. This differences are great enough that the effect of legal/illegal abortion can be different in developing and developed countries. Futhermore the abortion rates given in your own data for developing and devloped countries are not identical. The lower number was in the devloping countries which according to you (or atleast according to your source) often outlaw abortion. Anyway, I honestly don't believe that you have the slightest interest in the facts, and I am wasting my time. You apparently think the social policy that has developed over the world spring from some mischivious plot rather than from the needs and injustices of human beings. If either of us thinks we are likely to convice the other to change positions then we are probably wasteing our time because such a change rarely happens in this type of debate, particuarly with strongly held positions. I am interested in the facts but I don't think you presented facts that back up your specific assertion that outlawing abortion does not reduce the abortion rate. I don't think that social policy from the devloping world is generated by some large conspiracy or mischivious plot. I think some of this social policy is wrong or even unjust but that doesn't require some conspiracy or secret plot. I honestly believe that your position is based strictly on religion. I can't think of a single position that I hold directly and solely because of the position of any church. I do have religious faith but it is a very week fatih, bordering on agnosticism. If you convinced me 100% that God does not exist it would not change my opinion about abortion or any other topic I have posted about on the boxing ring except my faith in God which is a topic I have not posted about much. and that that is why you fail to concede, or to acknowledge, even the most obvious and smallest of facts. I "fail to concede or acknowledge" your "facts" because you fail to suffeciently support them. Sometimes you support things that are at least a bit similar to them but you don't actually make the case for your argument. (for one example see above, you show that aobrtion rates are not that different in developed and developing countries, but maintain that you show that making abortion illegal does not reduce abortions. I challange you on X you back up Y and seem to think that because they are close to eachother in the alphabet that you have proved your point. There has to be a reason why you play dumb, because you obviously are not. I believe your "impartiality" is an absolute pretense. I am not playing dumb, nor IMO do I or my posts show any sign of being dumb. I also did not make any pretense of impartiality. I have an opinion and I have not attempted to hide it. I am willing to look at facts that support the other case but that is not the same thing as being impartial. In my opinion you are not impartial either. Tim