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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (17255)	6/21/2001 12:33:23 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

The envisioning of doomsday scenarios has been a favorite pasttime for many. You are far from the first, will be far from the last. And civilization goes on. You presented one scenario, but one that assumes that people don't adapt to cultural changes. In general, though, they do. Your vision of half of American mothers in jail is one vision (though it wouldn't come to pass -- doctors would stop doing abortions if the price were a lengthy prison sentence, and the few who were willing to would be in jail soon enough and not around to do the abortions). But the conflicing vision is that perhaps we would gain a new found respect for life, more along Buddhist principles, which would benefit all of us. And don't forget that civilization existed and thrived long before d&c, the pill, etc. The reality is that civilization adapts. Judaism survived the holocaust. Civilization would survive the recognition of human life in the embryo. I don't know, and you don't know, what that civilization would look like, and whether it would be better or worse than our civilization today. But I have no doubt that it would survive.

To: Solon who wrote (17255)	6/22/2001 1:33:36 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

That was a totally lame response to a very poignant question. My argument is not an argument Infanticide was once practiced as widely as abortion is today, and civilization was advanced by its abolition, not destroyed. Your argument could have been used back then with only a minor change. Imagine if fifty percent of women had killed at least one child, by the time they were 45. Making infanticide illegal would make all those women criminals. "It could never happen. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" The world as we know it would come to an end! "My statement was not a silly one. If you wish to pretend that society can grant personhood to an embryo without it leading into criminal and cibvil charges on a daily basis, and without destroying the ethical framework that our social mores and our legal case law upholds and advances, then you are only pretending." The question was easy. Please give examples of what the hell you are talking about? I can't say I blame you for ducking it. I wouldn't lay claim to an "argument" like that either. I'm still waiting for your answer about D.S fetus's. Are you afraid? Please try to make your answer as "cibvil" as possible