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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (1656)	6/26/2001 11:17:31 PM
From: Kaliico	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 208838

<OT>not due to the exclusive power of a small handful of autocratic individuals... hummm, interesting. trade stocks and watch the workings of Wall Street for 30 years , as I have, and you may want to re-evaluate this statement. K

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (1656)	6/27/2001 1:39:40 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 208838

Hi bbm, Well now, isn't that special. We elect a President with a one vote majority in a special court and you think we live in a "free" society? Good grief, which planet is it that you live on? Were you to pay the least bit of attention to Kaliico's response to you, you would clearly understand Arthur Leavitt's comment as he left Washington and the SEC. He said: "The retail investor has no friends in Washington." Think about that. It may be a tad unsettling to your worldview, which does seem to be crowded by some serious blinders. The United States is not an empire. That's probably the silliest thing I've read all day. Do you have a clue as to how much military hardware we have on Diego Rivera (do you even have a clue where that is?), at Guantanamo, on the high seas and under them, in Germany, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Columbia, Thailand and hundreds of other obscure arms dumps around the planet? Your comment is simply naive. The United States represents something, an accomplishment, an endeavor, totally unseen before in the history of our world. Bullshit, it represents the ascendancy of imperialism over democracy. You will recall that when "we" seceded from the British Empire, "we" were thirteen teeny and weak states on the Atlantic Seaboard. We had no aspirations to enter Mexico City 70 years later, or send gunboats into Manila Bay 130 years later. That was a very Hamiltonian vision that was certainly not a Jacksonian view. The imperialists simply took hold of the reins of government and relied on gunboat diplomacy from the age of Monroe forward. The "Monroe Doctrine" and "Manifest Destiny" are imperialism writ large. Don't you understand that? The United States represents something, an accomplishment, an endeavor, totally unseen before in the history of our world. The United States represents one of the greatest natural resource bonanzas on the planet, rich agricultural lands, abundant energy and mineral resources and an aggressive business culture. You bet, what we've done here has never been seen before. In China, they are successfully farming lands that were in ag production in 3,000 BC. In the US, we put parts of Kansas to the plow for the first time in the 1920's. The first year production yielded durum wheat with a protein content of 16%, within a decade that had fallen to 4%. Today, it is about the same, being maintained by massive infusions of ammonia fertilizer, produced from CH4, methane, natural gas. Which you might have noticed is getting a bit dear because it is in short supply. Who's the wiser, a culture that can maintain agriculture on a slice of ground for 5,000 years or one that is about to find it can't afford to provide ag inputs after only 80 years of strip mining the wealth of the nation? Just wondering, Ray :)