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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3861)	6/28/2001 2:57:23 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

You want some ranking criteria? Try these: law.emory.edu I think the real point of your line of questioning is that you are unable to understand and defend what constitutes freedom. Consult the above. Brilliant. You don't think I could give you a link to the Magna Carta and a host of other documents? Do you know what's in the Magna Carta? Perhaps you think that the Magna Carta is Italian for "The Big Buffet". You have to understand what's in them. As I said earlier, you've been told the right answer thousand of times, you just don't understand it and can't defend it. If you think that the US ranked badly, you don't understand the data. If it didn't then what is your complaint? Jefferson, Hamilton and Madison, et al. were quite vigorous in their criticisms of government, the White House, the Congress, the Press, and each other. Do you think there was someone like you that said "You're free to take the next boat out"? If you want to have a country that's the best in the world because it has more nuclear weapons than anyone else and has the largest GDP in the world that's the country you'll end up with Great! I'll take it! Now we get a hint of what freedom is to you, Jags and Nukes. The highest murder rate of the free world is immaterial. Crank up the ol' electric generator. MO, what you don't realize is that the biggest threat to the principles of democracy is the "conservative" leadership of the last 20 years. You Brits were on your way into the third world until you got someone- -Margaret Thatcher- -who started straightening you out. "The sick man of Europe"- -remember that? Apparently the lesson has worn off. Now you are pining for your socialist cesspool. The sick man of Europed, socialist cesspool... Slogans. Ever notice how that smart ambitious Brits end up here? My neighbor is a Brit. He's VP of a semiconductor firm here in Silicon Valley. Two homes (on very expensive Silicon Valley real estate), drives a Jaguar, flies his parents over here from Britain several times a year to visit. He doesn't miss his lack of opportunity in Britain. That's what's so special about conservatives. They can totally reject any compiled data for a host of bogus reasons. But they can cite one neighbor who is Brit or a French woman who feels "free air" and they can confidently generalize an entire continent. Surprise, there are quite a few Brits and Americans in London pulling in a healthy income. You Brits used to know how to run a country; hell, you knew how to run an empire. What went wrong? Is that what constitutes success? Running an empire. Pretty sad view. The US rate of brutality is 15 times higher than that in the UK. The US, greatest health care system in the world. The Conservative Proof? A prince from Saudi Arabia goes to the Mayo clinic for health care. Here's some compiled data that should help your proof. HEALTH CARE Health Care Expenditures (percent of GDP)4 United States 13.4% Canada 10.0 Finland 9.1 Sweden 8.6 Germany 8.4 Netherlands 8.4 Norway 7.6 Japan 6.8 United Kingdom 6.6 Denmark 6.5 Doctors' incomes: United States $132,300 Germany 91,244 Denmark 50,585 Finland 42,943 Norway 35,356 Sweden 25,768 Percent of population covered by public health care: ALL NATIONS (except below) 100% France, Austria 99 Switzerland, Spain, Belgium 98 Germany 92 Netherlands 77 United States 40 Average paid maternity leave (as of 1991; this changed with Clinton's signing of the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act): Sweden 32 weeks France 28 United Kingdom 18 Norway 18 Denmark 18 Japan 14 Germany 14 Netherlands 12 United States 0 Life Expectancy (years): Men Women Japan 76.2 82.5 France 72.9 81.3 Switzerland 74.1 81.3 Netherlands 73.7 80.5 Sweden 74.2 80.4 Canada 73.4 80.3 Norway 73.1 79.7 Germany 72.6 79.2 Finland 70.7 78.8 United States 71.6 78.6 United Kingdom 72.7 78.2 Denmark 72.2 77.9 Infant Mortality Rate (per 1,000 live births): United States 10.4 United Kingdom 9.4 Germany 8.5 Denmark 8.1 Canada 7.9 Norway 7.9 Netherlands 7.8 Switzerland 6.8 Finland 5.9 Sweden 5.9 Japan 5.0 Death rate of 1-to-4 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year): United States 101.5 Japan 92.2 Norway 90.2 Denmark 85.1 France 84.9 United Kingdom 82.2 Canada 82.1 Netherlands 80.3 Germany 77.6 Switzerland 72.5 Sweden 64.7 Finland 53.3 Death rate of 15-to-24 year olds (per community of 200,000 per year): United States 203 Switzerland 175 Canada 161 France 156 Finland 154 Norway 128 Germany 122 Denmark 120 United Kingdom 114 Sweden 109 Japan 96 Netherlands 90 Note: the murder rate for the above age group is 48.8 per 200,000. Even subtracting this entirely still puts the U.S. near the top of the list. Premature Death (years of life lost before the age of 64 per 100 people): United States 5.8 years Denmark 4.9 Finland 4.8 Canada 4.5 Germany 4.5 United Kingdom 4.4 Norway 4.3 Switzerland 4.1 Netherlands 4.0 Sweden 3.8 Japan 3.3 Ooops. You don't like compiled data. What's important to you is the most number of nukes and the greatest GDP in the world. The British neighbor has a Jag, that's the proof. That's all you need to know. The above data is somewhat dated. It's difficult to come by. So you can blow it off, because it's dated and current statistics may vary. Keep your eye on the Jag. jttmab

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3861)	6/28/2001 3:14:02 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

As a small follow up to a couple of posts. You'll be pleased to know that the conservative effort to limit liability in civil litigation [e.g., Patient's Bill of Rights] tends towards the British system of civil litigation. Some of the Framers thought that was a bad idea. I don't know what you conservatives do with that bit of information. Oh I know. Turn on Rush. He has the answer, because he plays the national anthem at the beginning of his talk show. I'll bet he even has a slogan you can repeat. jttmab

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3861)	6/28/2001 3:25:34 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 93284

I've got a constructive suggestion for you on that compiled health data. You can use it to prove that the US has the best health care system in the world. Delete everything except the average doctor's income. That's proof. You'll be able to extrapolate that information to conclude that doctors in the US have more Jags than the doctors in Europe. jttmab