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To: jttmab who wrote (3869)	6/28/2001 3:16:42 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

This is where we started: "The United Nation's Human Freedom Index compares the amount of freedom that citizens of different countries enjoy. It considers the right to travel, assemble, and speak; the absence of forced labor, torture and other extreme legal punishment (such as the death penalty); freedom of political opposition, the press and trade unions; an independent judiciary; gender equality; and the legal right to trial, counsel of choice, privacy, religion and sexual practice." Gee, I fail to see much connection between those statistics and this. OK, you've proven the US is not the most socialistic country in the world. OTOH, we already knew that. Oh, those Founding Fathers- -Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, etc.- -whose names you are so find of throwing into this discussion? Did you know they are the men who put those limitations on federal power into the US Constitution? Seriously inconsistent with the Big Brother, Big Government subtext you are promoting. Oh, you need a link to the Magna Carta? fordham.edu Obviously, you want to maneuver the discussion into a debate on socialism vs. capitalism. But let's quit the BS. That has little to do with the quote above. It's not even required you be a democracy to be socialistic. In fact, it helps if you're not. You like that socialist cesspool? Fine. Stay there.

To: jttmab who wrote (3869)	6/28/2001 4:59:33 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 93284

a link to the Magna Carta and a host of other documents? I took some time in trying to read the original copy (is that an oxymoron) of the Magna Carta at the Natl. Archives. It's important to remember that whatever it says, it is largely irrelevant to Americans. The Constitution is a legally binding contract between our government and the people, the Magna Carta is not. There has been a series of historical shows and articles on the Victorian era and how and why England developed a stable empire, and then overexpanded it to create a mess they couldn't hold. Cecil Rhodes figures prominately here. TP TP

To: jttmab who wrote (3869)	7/19/2001 1:38:56 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

Read this and then tell me if you still wish to hold up Europe as humanity's hope: Message 16097288 Some highlights: a March decision by the European Court of Justice that the EU can lawfully suppress political criticism of its bureaucracies and their leaders. the EU government sees "a clear responsibility to regulate the dissemination of ideas, because opinions can bubble up from individuals' selfish personal interests and create social disturbances," Holland now allows doctors not only to assist in a suicide, but to kill patients they don't think deserve to live. In Sweden the government spends 57% of gross domestic product; the average of European Union nations is 50%. The U.S., including state and local governments, spends 31%.