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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (112)	7/6/2001 1:10:48 AM
From: elpolvo	Respond to of 1857

I've tried not to think too much about the Andrea Yates case. good. if someone tried to drag me into saying something about it i'd say, not tonight, i have a headache. i'll call you in the morning. what's your number? -elpolvo

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (112)	7/6/2001 8:39:00 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

Yes, you're right about the Paula Poundstone case. It's really not been mentioned and boy do I have opinions about it (so what else is new?). From what I've read, her kids are adopted and foster children. I would love to know where these allegations came from and how many levels of bureaucracy they were filtered through before they became accusations of sexual abuse. I think there is something desperately wrong with American culture at this point, where parents are often the subjects of unsubstantiated sexual abuse witch hunts. These kinds of allegations are life-changing, for both children and parent. If it is not true that she abused her children, my heart bleeds for them, as their relationship with one of the most important people in their lives is destroyed. And then there's her career as a comedian. I'm going to do a search for more on the story.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (112)	7/6/2001 8:49:56 AM
From: TradeOfTheDay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1857

I heard something in regard to her case yesterday , that is very sad but probably true. Unfortunately, these kids are usually no stranger to past abuses - and they are quick to learn that their fastest way to attention now, is to claim sexual abuse - whether it is true or not. We always seem to ping pong in everything - for years , foster children were, in fact, frequently abused - and no one listened to them . Now they are taught early they have many avenues open to help them - but in their anger and frustration they have learned in their previous situations, they become the abusive ones. Hard to know what the right answer here is.....

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (112)	7/6/2001 9:20:27 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1857

Women have always killed their children in the grip of postpartum depression. In some countries the law even takes this tendency into account. In fact women have always killed their children even when not suffering from postpartum depression- if they didn't Medea wouldn't be so resonant, and so understandable. The end of civilization? Do you lament the end of civilization when a man shoots his whole family? Happens often enough I can remember some incidents- but gosh, I don't remember people wailing about the end of civilization. Do we only wail about that when women go off the deep end? Andrea Yates was in the grip of mental illness. It is too bad she didn't get help and that no one saw she needed help- but to make anything more out of it is , imo, silly. IT is a sad and tragic thing when someone falls through the cracks, and it is even worse when they take someone with them as they fall. But it happens, and not so very often. It is so rare that when it does happen every media outlet in the country picks up on the story and runs it for all it's worth. That out to be taken as a hopeful sign. The vast majority of mothers shoulder on under the increasing burdens of being both breadwinner and nuturer and they do it without going insane. Bravo women of the world.