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To: jttmab who wrote (4629)7/11/2001 1:22:00 PM
From: JeffA  Read Replies (7) | Respond to of 93284
 
Sierratimes.com BTW you will NOT like this website. hehe

The UN has been greeted in the US with a firestorm of protests. In my opinion, they are backpedaling in the sentence you placed in bold. I was on the IANASA website and I have read a lot of what is taking place at the conference these 11 days.

We can argue dates and words like proposed vs enacted, but what concerns me is the fact that these words exist in relation to "enforcement" by the UN. If the are not legally binding, why would the UN be having this conference? They are laying groundwork. 10 years from now they will reference this document and say something to the effect "In the July 2001 Conference on Small arms and illicit trading........ blah blah blah."

This is a path we do not need to travel. This is a guest for whom you do not open the door.

I will post links as you requested......



To: jttmab who wrote (4629)7/11/2001 1:36:56 PM
From: JeffA  Respond to of 93284
 
This is from the UN website. My concerns are italicized

SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT

UN CONFERENCE ON THE ILLICIT TRADE IN SMALL ARMS AND LIGHT WEAPONS
in All Its Aspects, New York, 9-20 July 2001

The United Nations has received a steady flow of correspondence about the objectives of the United Nations Conference. The following points address some common questions and misconceptions.

The focus of the United Nations Conference is on illicit trade in small arms, not the legal trade, manufacture or ownership of weapons.

Assault rifles and other small arms and light weapons have become the weapons of choice in many internal conflicts waged around the world. They are weapons manufactured to military specifications for use as lethal instruments of war. These weapons often end up in the possession of organized crime syndicates, drugs traffickers, and warlords who promote strife for personal gain. Because these weapons are light and easy to use, they are put in the hands of 300,000 child soldiers.

The Conference is about finding ways to curb and eliminate illicit trafficking in such weapons. The Conference is not about outlawing the legal manufacture or trade of these weapons, nor their legal, private ownership. Sounds nice and innocent

Stricter national legislation and greater international cooperation will help to control illicit trafficking of small arms. ?!

It is conservatively estimated that forty percent of illicit small arms and light weapons have been diverted from the legal trade. Strengthening controls over the legal trade diminishes the opportunity for weapons to fall into the wrong hands.
So they say they are not affecting legal trade and yet here they specifically reference strengthening controls on the legal side

Each Member State creates its own internal gun laws. The United Nations has no jurisdiction over any State’s national legislation. Yet! IMHO

The UN Conference will have no effect on the rights of civilians to legally own and bear arms. Yet! IMHO

The United Nations Charter (Article II, paragraph 7) specifically forbids the UN from intervening in matters that are within a Member State’s domestic jurisdiction. The UN denied a request for arms to the Bosnian Serbs The UN Conference is being held as a result of a unanimous decision by Member States and will not interfere with any State’s internal laws or regulations and will not violate national sovereignty. The Conference will seek to promote global peace, security and development through promotion of international norms and cooperation to combat the illicit trafficking in small arms and light weapons.

The Conference will result in a consensus document agreed upon by all Member States.

The Conference will conclude with an agreed programme of action containing measures that all States can take to control the trade in illicit small arms. The final document will not be international law. Rather, it will be a political statement and a promise that States make to their own people, themselves and to other States. As per customary UN parliamentary proceedings, the Conference document will not single out any Member State, and no State is forced to accept any decision it does not agree with.

This Conference will not produce a legally binding treaty.

Some States propose to work together to mark and register small arms in order to improve their cooperative law enforcement capacities to trace weapons. Others have proposed that only legally authorized manufacturers and brokers be able to produce and trade in small arms and light weapons. These are proposals at this stage. This is international registration, but does not effect me as a small arms owner? What if I buy a Beretta? Will the UN have my name associated with this guns serial number?

The United Nations is seeking to strengthen the law enforcement capacities of States through cooperation in information sharing and openness about arms trading and production.

Greater cooperation in enforcement of import and export control and brokering regulations, for example, will strengthen the capabilities of all States.

Public interest groups from around the world will be represented at the Conference.

One hundred and seventy-seven (177) different non-governmental organizations from five continents will send representatives to the Conference. They have a wide range of views. Some have considerable expertise and experience in the area of small arms and light weapons. Many are from gun-affected countries. The largest coalition of NGOs is represented by the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA), a group of NGOs concerned about the proliferation of small arms. The United States-based National Rifle Association (NRA), a recognized NGO at the United Nations, will be joined by several other organizations particularly concerned about the rights of gun owners in the United States. All NGOs accredited to the Conference have the same rights and privileges.

Small Arms Destruction Day (Monday, 9 July) events by Member States can raise awareness of the damage caused by small arms. This is an ominous indicator of what they really want to do.

Several States proposed that the opening day of the Conference be proclaimed Small Arms Destruction Day as a ceremonial gesture for raising public awareness. Events will take place around the world and at Headquarters. The ceremonies are to symbolize that once surplus and illicit weapons are identified and collected, they should be destroyed. Such an event in a post-conflict or post-strife situation helps boost confidence among affected populations that the guns that wrought such damage are destroyed once and for all. They will just make more, showing destruction of guns would offer me no comfort if I am a refugee of gov't sponsored raid

Published by the United Nations Department of Public Information in cooperation with the Department for Disarmament Affairs – July 2001
Visit the Department for Disarmament Affairs website at un.org



To: jttmab who wrote (4629)7/11/2001 2:14:06 PM
From: JeffA  Respond to of 93284
 
This is from Newsmax

U.N.'s Real Gun Agenda Emerges
Lawrence Auster
Tuesday, July 10, 2001
The official name of the meeting taking place at the U.N. General Assembly this week and next is the "United Nations Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects."
The portentous-sounding phrase "illicit trade in small arms and light weapons" is worth repeating, because the conference speakers themselves keep endlessly repeating it, word for word like a mystical mantra, along with impassioned calls for the worldwide elimination of small arms and light weapons. Spoken so often, the words began to have an almost hypnotic effect. But what do they really mean? What is this conference really after? The first day offered troubling clues.

Over and over the delegates described small arms and light weapons in the direst terms. The delegate from Mozambique called such weapons nothing less than a "threat to humanity." Not only that, but they are responsible for "poverty, backwardness, and a lack of democracy," and are "an obstacle to a country's development."

Several delegates made the point — were they all reading from the same crib sheet? — that more than 500 million small arms are circulating, one for every 12 human beings in the world. Another speaker said that every year the number of casualties from small arms and light weapons is greater than those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What this means, he said, is that small arms and light weapons are "weapons of mass destruction" and must be dealt with accordingly. Truly, to stop such a plague, it would seem that the most rigorous measures are called for.

Deer Hunting With a Weapon of Mass Destruction

But before we rush ahead with this program to save humanity, what exactly are these "small arms" that the humanitarians want to eliminate? According to the U.N.'s own Web site:

"Small arms are weapons designed for personal use, while light weapons are designed for use by several persons serving as a crew. Examples of small arms include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine-guns. Light weapons include heavy machine-guns, some types of grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns, and portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems."

In other words, revolvers and rifles are weapons of mass destruction! By this logic, criminal acts in the U.S. involving handguns pose the same order of danger to mankind as the hydrogen bomb, and require the type of global solution that U.N. bureaucrats are most eager to provide. The long-term aim seems to be a worldwide system of gun control, as suggested by a delegate from the European Union who said that the convention's non-binding draft Program of Action is only a "point of departure" for a much larger scheme.

"It should be our goal to achieve agreement ... on all aspects of how to combat small arms and light weapons." The goal, he said, is "a world free from illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons that have caused so much suffering."

As this reference to "illicit" kept being made over and over, I wondered, if illicit arms must be eliminated, why not licit weapons as well? Why should legal arms that used to harm civilians be of any less concern than arms traded illegally?

The answer came soon enough from the morning's most aggressive speaker, Foreign Minister Jozias van Artsen of the Netherlands. Van Artsen hinted where he was heading when he changed the formulaic phrase "the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons" to "the uncontrolled trade in small arms and light weapons." Stopping this uncontrolled traffic, he said, is not enough. We must further regulate the legal trade in arms to prevent spillover to the illegal arms trade.

He then praised the systematic destruction of weapons that has been carried out by several countries and urged an expansion of such programs. The inescapable implication of van Artsen's words is that he wants to see the physical destruction of all small weapons in the world — or rather, the destruction of all small weapons not owned by government.

Van Artsen, ominously, received the strongest applause of any speaker during the first morning of the conference.

A Voice of Sanity

The only speaker who stood against this globalist tide — indeed, the only speaker who used logical arguments instead of ritualistic phrases aimed at manipulating people's emotions — was U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton. While agreeing that stopping illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons is a worthy goal, Bolton noted that small arms and light weapons "in our understanding are military weapons. We separate them from hunting rifles and pistols that are privately owned."

The U.S., he continued, does not begin by presuming that all small arms and light weapons are problematic. It is illicit trade in military weapons that are at issue — a radically different position from Van Artsen's implied view that it is the legal trade in personal weapons that must be eliminated.

The U.S. already has effective enforcement programs in this area, said Bolton. To be traded, weapons of U.S. origin must meet certain criteria for responsible use. "The U.S. government has stopped many exports of weapons that did not meet these criteria. We hope the Program of Action will encourage all countries to adopt similar measures. They should be directed at areas of instability and conflict."

In other words, unlike the rest of the U.N. that seeks an indiscriminate global solution to the problem, the U.S. urges more modest and directed efforts by member nations themselves to stop illegal activities over which they themselves have proper responsibility and control.

Bolton made another very powerful point, that the distinction between "government" and "non-government" is irrelevant as far as the responsible use of arms is concerned. In many cases it is governments that are the criminal force from which citizens and freedom fighters need to defend themselves — a self-defense that that would become impossible if only governments were allowed to buy and own weapons.

Though the possibility never enters the heads of the liberals and socialists who see the state as the source of all good, the reality is that government — specifically the government misuse of legal weapons — was the dominant fact in 20th century inhumanity. As Richard Poe writes in his new book "The Seven Myths of Gun Control," more than 170 million unarmed men, women and children were killed by armed governments in the course of the 20th century. This excludes the deaths of soldiers in combat, which came to the much smaller figure of 38.5 million.

So far the Bush administration is standing bravely alone against the U.N.'s sinister agenda to strip the peoples of the world of the ability to defend themselves from tyranny and violence. Will the American position continue to be based on the firm principles and clear thinking shown by John Bolton, or will it turn out to be, like most contemporary conservatism, a mere exercise in foot-dragging? This conference may give us the answer.

Lawrence Auster can be reached at lawrence.auster@att.net.

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