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To: Lane3 who wrote (17988)	7/11/2001 3:22:43 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Oklahoma isn't a foreign country. I beg leave to differ. I was there once. Foreign country doesn't begin to describe it.

To: Lane3 who wrote (17988)	7/11/2001 3:44:58 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

No, Oklahoma isn't a foreign country, but it's stuck in a time warp. It's still the 50s! Actually, Tulsa is quite diverse, but once you leave there you go through the time warp. How is it state supported prayer when a person who is not an agent of the state is leading the prayer? Also, football games are attended voluntarily. People know what to expect when they get there. Who knows, maybe the Muslim or Buddhist newcomer might think the prayer is kinda cool. They may feel like they are taking part in a bit of Americana. It's a little absurd to think they'll feel pressured to convert.

To: Lane3 who wrote (17988)	7/16/2001 7:24:41 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Karen, when you were arguing with me to support fetal stem cell research you talked about how it would be a shame to waste the the embryos or fetal material that was all ready there from fertility clinics or from fetuses that were aborted for other reasons. How do you think the following effects that argument? cbsnews.com (CBS) News Wednesday that Virginia scientists had created human embryos in the lab for the sole purpose of harvesting their stem cells may have raised the stakes in the debate over whether to federally fund such research. Leaving aside for the moment my disgust at this, I would wonder why they did this. As far as I know there are plenty of stem cells available, why use a method to obtain them that would only add to your opposition. Tim