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To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 2:07:37 AM
From: ColtonGang  Respond to of 769667
 
Some Experts Fear a Sharp Climate Shift
• Farmers Get Ally in Fight for Water


By USHA LEE McFARLING, Times Science Writer

AMSTERDAM -- As climatologists gather here this week to discuss new research on global warming, a disquieting idea has been gaining currency--the possibility that small shifts in global temperature could lead to sudden and abrupt climate changes.

What makes such projections important is not their likelihood, which is uncertain, although a growing number of scientists believe that sudden changes in climate are a possibility. Instead, the chief significance for policymakers and the public lies in what the new research suggests about scientific uncertainty and risk.

Until recently, much of the climate debate has centered on whether global warming is occurring at all. Most climate models had assumed a slow, steady increase in temperature and forecast gradual changes with gradual effects.

But newer, more sophisticated models suggest that the Earth's climate system is "nonlinear"--in other words, small changes can have large effects on everything from ocean and land temperatures to drought and monsoon patterns, icecaps and tropical rain forests.

Though loath to cry wolf, more and more experts are beginning to publicly discuss--and personally fear--changes that are far more dramatic, and potentially faster, than those at the center of discussion so far. Some events could permanently alter life on Earth.

For example, one projection is that melting Arctic ice could cause a flow of fresh water into the North Atlantic that would shut down the Gulf Stream this century. That warm current moderates the European climate, and turning it off would make a swath of land from London to Stockholm miserable.

"Sometimes very small, innocent changes can trigger huge changes," said Will Steffen, executive director of the Sweden-based International Geosphere-Biosphere Program, or IGBP, which is coordinating the Amsterdam conference. "Sometimes you hit it with a hammer and nothing happens. We simply do not know. We are heading into uncharted waters."

In the global warming debate, a chief argument of industry, joined by Bush administration officials and some scientists, is that the U.S. and its allies should not rush into potentially costly measures to head off possible climate change because our knowledge of the subject is limited.

Many scientists, however, say that argument is precisely backward. The possibility of sudden, dramatic climate shifts means that, although there is a risk that current models are too pessimistic, there is also a substantial risk that they are too optimistic.

A prominent advocate of the go-slow school of thought is Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, an expert on how the sun and its heat output have varied through time.

Her research is funded by federal agencies but she accepts money--to "travel around and speak"--from firms that have advocated a go-slow approach on global warming. She argues that computer models are unreliable, exaggerate warming trends, fail to adequately take into account natural fluctuations in temperature and do not explain why no warming has been seen in the upper atmosphere.

"The best evidence says [climate change] is slow to work, so we have a window of opportunity," she said.

As advocates of that school of thought note, many climate scientists a decade ago feared that global warming could cause a catastrophic melting of the massive West Antarctic ice sheet. Such an event would release huge amounts of water into the seas, devastating many of the world's highly populated, low-lying coastal areas.

Recent studies, though, suggest that the Antarctic icecap is stable--and actually growing as more precipitation falls there.

Other scientists argue that because knowledge is uncertain, it is crucial to begin cutting emissions of carbon dioxide and other so-called greenhouse gases to slow the rate of climate change.

"We could be either under- or overestimating the effect of human activities on climate," said Robert Watson, chief scientist at the World Bank and head of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. "So why should we be complacent?"

Paul Crutzen, an atmospheric chemist working in Germany who won the Nobel Prize for explaining the hole in the atmosphere's ozone layer, makes a similar point. There is not enough room to take chances with the climate, he argues.

The chief cause of the hole, which appeared over Antarctica in the final decades of the 20th century, was chlorofluorocarbons--chemicals used as refrigerants and as propellants in spray cans. Had chemists earlier in the century decided to use bromine instead of chlorine to produce coolants--a mere quirk of chemistry--the ozone hole would have been far larger, occurred all year and severely affected life, he said.

"Avoiding that was just luck," he said, noting that no scientist had predicted the hole or its impact. "We missed something very important. There may be more of these things around the corner."

What climate watchers fear most are shifts that could "kick the climate system" into an entirely new state, said Berrien Moore III, chairman of the IGBP. That could cause "unpredictable consequences with cascading effects."

Such shifts have occurred before. A tiny change in the Earth's orbit, for example, altered precipitation and temperature patterns enough to convert what was once fertile African savanna into today's dry Sahara. "There are caves in today's desert that show giraffes and all kinds of other animals," said Robert J. Scholes, a South African climatologist.

"Abrupt changes in the Earth's systems can occur when thresholds are crossed," said Moore, a climate researcher at the University of New Hampshire. "Those changes may involve rather distant, telegraphed connections."

One current possibility is the melting of the Arctic sea ice.

Arctic snow and sea ice moderate the climate by covering a massive portion of the Earth's surface. This white, frozen blanket reflects sunlight and heat back into space, cooling the planet. If much of the ice melted and the Arctic Ocean became an open sea, the resulting big, dark patch would absorb heat and lead to even more warming.

Oleg Anisimov, an expert on the planet's icy "cryosphere" at the State Hydrological Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia, said Thursday that such a shift is already occurring. The snow and sea-ice cover in the Arctic has decreased 10% since the 1970s, and the ice has thinned markedly in that time, he said. "Such changes are already enhancing the greenhouse effect," he said.

Research published June 21 in the journal Nature suggests that freshwater flows in the Nordic seas are increasing and may be slowing the crucial circulation of warm water, said Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.

Anisimov said the increased flow of Siberian rivers also provides evidence that Arctic waters are freshening. Thawing permafrost in the region, he said, could also fuel warming by allowing decomposing material to emit greenhouse gases now trapped in frozen soil.



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 2:36:04 AM
From: Neeka  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
A baby is not "human" until birth at least.>>>>>>>>>

Just exactly what were the two babies that I nurtured in my womb, bore, suckled and reared if "not human"?

I WANT an answer Mr Paw.

M



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 8:45:52 AM
From: PROLIFE  Respond to of 769667
 
YOu are so full of shit, your eyes must hurt..

a human is a human from conception to death....not a chimp, not a giraffe, not a tigger.

go lay your bloodguilt elsewhere, this ain't flyin.



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 9:35:59 AM
From: Carolyn  Respond to of 769667
 
Unbelievable!

Do you have any friends?



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 9:56:45 AM
From: gao seng  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Babies Remember Music Heard In The Womb
By John Griffiths
7-12-1

LONDON (Reuters Health) - Children recognise and prefer music they were exposed to in the womb for at least a year after they are born, according to the results of a small UK study.

Dr. Alexandra Lamont of the University of Leicester studied 14 mothers who played a particular piece of music--ranging from classical to reggae and pop--to their babies during the last 3 months of pregnancy.

At the age of 1 year, 11 of the babies were tested for their ability to recognize the music. ``All babies showed a significant preference for the pieces of music they were exposed to in the womb over very similar tunes they had not heard previously,'' Lamont said in an interview with Reuters Health.

According to Lamont, a foetus can fully hear sounds outside the womb beginning at about 20 weeks after conception. This study, she notes, demonstrates that babies can remember--and prefer--music they heard before they were born.

None of the babies were exposed to the prenatal tunes between birth and their first birthday. This, according to Lamont, means that preferences found in this study were based on long-term memory.

``This is the first time that memory in babies has been shown to last more than 1 or 2 months,'' she said.

A separate group of 11 babies who had not been played the music in the womb were tested with the same pieces of music and showed no particular preferences.

``Early shared experiences are a crucial part of childhood development,'' Lamont said. ``When they recognized the music, some babies also turned around to their mothers, indicating that the music played some sort of role in developing an emotional bond.''

According to Lamont, babies did not show a preference for a particular musical style--recognizing reggae as often as they did Mozart.

Lamont plans to study how long a baby's memory of a piece of music lasts. She will also look at how musical taste develops and how it fits with family preferences and prenatal exposure.

``All babies like fast, exciting music at the age of 12 months, but we may find that preferences for music they were played in the womb may return later in life,'' she added.

Lamont emphasized that she found no evidence that playing music to babies, whether classical or pop, improved their intelligence.

According to Professor Peter Hepper, an expert on prenatal development at Queens University in Belfast, ``These results are exciting as they suggest that the developing brain is capable of storing and recovering memories over a long period of time.''

In an interview with Reuters Health, Hepper said, ``Obviously, there must be underlying changes in the brain to enable this recognition, but whether such early exposure leads to preferences for certain types of music in later life in presently unknown. Whether these babies will be more musical, given their early education is also unknown.''

He added, ``At a more general level, the results indicate that environmental factors experienced by the foetus may have a long-term influence on its development. And they support the growing realisation that the prenatal period is more important than previously thought.''



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 11:10:46 AM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 769667
 
Ooops!!!

Message 16071180



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/13/2001 4:04:58 PM
From: alan w  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
A human baby does not possess the ability to recognize self at birth.

So if someone is blind they are not human? So if someone is in a coma they are not human?

A baby is not "human" until birth at least.

Babies are not human until the age of 1 or so in your opinion? My two did not recognize themselves in a mirror until they were several months old.

You've backed yourself into a corner texican. Better quit while you're behind.

Now I'm starting to understand liberals. A human is not human until some preconceived plateau is reached. Gee, and I always thought babies born and unborn were at least human.

Your christian definition needs a little work also. Self awareness = a soul. Never heard that one before. Better check the Bible on that one.

Have a good weekend TP.

alan w



To: TigerPaw who wrote (160378)7/14/2001 9:35:26 AM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
<<<A baby is not "human" until birth at least.>>>

Sure it is. That's transparent results-oriented thinking. You've revealed that by talking not about an embryo or a fetus, but a 'baby.' By the time it's become a 'baby,' it's a human being. (There are many here who engage in the same species of results-oriented thinking to the end of obtaining another result-- they refer to cell-clusters as 'babies.')

The hard part in this issue, as in so many in life, is drawing lines. Here the problem is to draw a humane one between the state forcing women to gestate embryos involuntarily until those cell-clusters become helpless, dependent, and often-unwanted babies (or orphaned, AIDS-infected, starving children with maggots crawling in and out of their nostrils because they are too weak to brush away the flies heading for their sinuses), and allowing citizens an unregulated right to perform abortions so late that they cause nurses to run weeping from the operating theater.

I think we can figure out something that doesn't cause decent people to weep either at the abused, unwanted, or starving child or the gasping 25 week fetus.

Your position is, to me, the ethical equivalent of the 'ensoulment' one. To me, it translates to a rejection of logic, empathy and mercy in favor of religious or social ideology.

IMO.