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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (18116)7/13/2001 7:32:59 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
I've asked Greg a couple of times about his insistence on arguing his faith as though it were logical or scientific. ...If Greg would just say that he had been graced by God with faith, I could accept that. I couldn't relate to it, but I could accept and respect it.

I don't really no how much more simply or elegantly
you could have put this Karen . He feels hurt that
you choose not to believe in the same historicity
based on "faith" , but in your own years of training,
education , experience, heart and intellect.

Another view was offered by the Danish philosopher of religion Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855). He concluded that the basis for religion could never be found in history but could only come from faith. If one had faith, then certain historical materials would have religious significance. This has led to the development of fideism, i. e., a complete reliance on faith and rejection of science and philosophy in religious matters.

infidels.org

Skeptics view historical accounts of the supernatural, as an overcredulous acceptance of all claims in this ancient text as being true accounts. It would be as if a historian were to read in an ancient text an account of how a certain ancient prince slew a dragon with his pocket knife and concluded from this that dragons really existed.

I would be far more receptive to greg , as well
if he chose the approach you describe above ,
in conveying his choice of belief. Bringing
history of fact and science into proving his cause
has left him extremely vulnerable...it would be another
matter if he chose to share experiences of unconditional
love & divine grace , rather than the incessant manifest destiny of his own
beliefs over all others..

as it is he's pretty much on ignore....

regards,

Mars



To: Lane3 who wrote (18116)7/14/2001 3:29:34 AM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
It felt that way because that's what it was.
First of all it was a post about me to someone else, that unfairly represented my position and then held me up to ridicule. I expect that from many others, but it seemed uncharacteristic of you. I do not have you on ignore, and you didn't answer my last post to you regarding working back from current existence to a logical conclusion. I am more open than you think, to listening to reason. Perhaps you could point out some of my more blatant logical and scientific fallacies, and I might learn something, or, we could play pig pong with a fish.

BTW If only you would change your position to agree with mine then I would agree with you too. :) Greg