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To: Dan3 who wrote (47780)	7/15/2001 11:51:32 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 275872

Re: "Sorry Tinker-Bell, " Mani has given another AMDroid a FREE PASS !!! Way to go Mani - Droids get away with everything.

To: Dan3 who wrote (47780)	7/15/2001 11:52:15 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 275872

Re: "you can won't make the SMP Athlon servers and workstations go away" I don't have to make them go away - they seem to be a non-starter !!

To: Dan3 who wrote (47780)	7/16/2001 12:31:33 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

For all you AMDroids: Intel's StrongARM garners a SECOND design win in two weeks from a Japanese firm - Toshiba. NEC announced their StrongARM-based PDA about two weeks ago. And we all know about Compaq's iPAQ - StrongARM based ! The StrongARM momentum is BUILDING !! Where is AMD's processor for this market? Is MAD Man Sanders going to TIRADE about Intel's Pentium 4 while Intel takes over the hand-held market without a fight? Toshiba dreams of Genio By Richard Shim Special to CNET News.com July 15, 2001, 9:00 p.m. PT news.cnet.com Toshiba is letting the Genio out of the bottle. After several months of hints and comments that it was at work on a handheld computer using Microsoft's Pocket PC operating system, Toshiba on Monday plans to formally unveil its first product, Genio. The initial Genio will be sold only in Japan. However, Toshiba plans to introduce a "full portfolio" of Pocket PC-based handhelds in North America later this year. The initial model for Japan features both CompactFlash and Secure Digital flash memory expansion slots, similar to the HandEra 330 that uses the rival Palm operating system. The unit also features Intel's 206MHz StrongARM processor, 32MB of memory and a color screen. Toshiba bills it as providing more than eight hours of battery life and weighing less than 8 ounces. The first Genio will come in two versions, either with or without a 1GB IBM Microdrive. The version without the tiny hard drive will be launched in Japan on Aug. 20, while the Microdrive-equipped model will be available there at the end of September. Microsoft said Toshiba's entry into the Pocket PC market will help the software giant in its efforts at selling to corporate customers and in the Japanese market. "We think expanding internationally is critical in finding our place," Microsoft product manager Ed Suwanjindar said. He cited projections from researcher IDC that the market for handhelds will grow to 30 million units annually within two years--more than double the size of today's market. Still, Pocket PC-based handhelds are a distant second to Palm OS-based handhelds in the U.S. retail market. Palm OS-based handhelds accounted for 86 percent of unit sales in May, according to NPD Intelect. Toshiba joins Compaq Computer, Casio and Hewlett-Packard as the big-name computer makers that offer handhelds with Pocket PC, a slimmed-down version of Windows. NEC also said last week that it plans to build a handheld using Microsoft's operating system. Tokyo-based Toshiba did not announce prices for the unit but said it hopes to sell 10,000 handhelds a month. Among the optional add-ons are a cable to connect the unit to a cell phone, as well as a Bluetooth card that fits into the Secure Digital expansion slot to provide a wireless connection to other nearby devices. Suwanjindar said the Genio will likely be priced comparably to other color-screen handhelds using the Pocket PC operating system. Such handhelds typically range from $350 to more than $500. Go to Front Door \| Personal Technology \| Search \| One Week View

To: Dan3 who wrote (47780)	7/16/2001 12:40:31 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 275872

Dan3, "...won't make the SMP Athlon servers and workstations go away" While true, the Tyan/AMD problem will certainly delay the whole product line. I would not take those S. Sassens messages too lightly. What I see is most likely the result of a signal integrity problem which root cause was not understood by AMD. While a batch of reference boards may become reasonably functional after some random tweaks, in mass manufacturing the hidden problem will show up again, due to inevitable variances in manufacturing materials, processes, and components (sometimes being excused as "lower-quality components"). What I see is a striking similarity with the release of first Irongate 750 boards by MSI. This Tyan 760MP problem bodes well with my earlier line of reasoning, see: Message 15923406 - Ali