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To: one_less who wrote (18402)	7/16/2001 9:33:05 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

And because humans are slackers and make apparently foolish rash decisions about lots of things (including faith) we should conclude...? That they f*ck up a lot? That's what I conclude. I can be a humanist and still conclude that. Maybe you don't really understand humanism.

To: one_less who wrote (18402)	7/16/2001 9:48:07 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

If these terms don't apply here they don't apply anywhere. Not true. These terms have relevance within accepted boundaries. If we accept that the earth and the moon exist, we can demonstrate the effects of gravitational force upon their orbits. We can "prove" that tides are governed by the gravitational force of the moon, and within the borders of the reality we have agreed to accept, we may consider our observation "true". But when the Buddhist comes along and says "prove to me that all of this is not maya, illusion", "proof" ceases to mean anything. At the outer limits of philosophy, these terms become meaningless. That doesn't mean they have no relevance to our practical lives. People who call themselves "humanists" while denying the basis of the human condition are bots. What is a "bot"? People who realize that we do not and cannot know the "basis of the human condition" are simply being honest with themselves. People who claim to know the basis of the human condition, or the origins of the universe, or the nature of absolute "right" and "wrong" are hiding beneath a blanket of self-deception. Why do some people find it so disturbing to admit that there are things we do not and cannot know?