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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (12651)	7/22/2001 1:43:43 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Have you been subject to torture and forced confession? When a friend of mine was audited by the IRS, he got to the appointment on time, but he was shown a room and told to wait for the auditors. They put him in an unventilated windowless room with the heat blasting and kept him there for an hour before an auditor showed up. No forced confession, but subtle torture. Have you been subject to search and seizure without due process? There are too many examples of this to bother listing. See James Bovard's Lost Rights. The 4th amendment is a virtual dead letter. Has someone jailed or fined you for any publication or speech? A guy was put in jail a couple of days ago for recording his pedophilic fantasies in a journal. He didn't do anything, just wrote words on paper. Certain words and thoughts are now illegal

To: Neocon who wrote (12651)	7/22/2001 4:03:32 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

<<Have you been taxed without representation?>> I have been, and am!

To: Neocon who wrote (12651)	7/24/2001 7:02:40 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

Have you been subject to torture and forced confession? Have you been subject to search and seizure without due process? Not me personally but property is routinely seized in drug cases even if the person it is seized from has not been convicted. The big reform was to change the standard to a preponderance of evidence. It used to be probable cause combined with the person the property was seized from being unable to prove his or her innocence. Law enforcement groups love it because they get to keep part or sometimes all of the value of the goods seized. reason.com reason.com Tim