To: d:oug who wrote (73897 ) 7/25/2001 1:27:16 PM From: Rarebird Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116900 Human Conscience determines what is right from wrong, good from evil. For someone who uses terms, such as good and evil quite loosely without defining its terms, you need to develop a conscience IMO. Let me try to put GATA on the right track here. <GGG> Pronouncements like GATA have been mistakenly taken as a starting point for explaining the ways of the gold market as some sort of evil alien power by which poor gold bulls are dominated and manipulated. If the interpretation continues in this direction, one supplies a possessor for the power thus posited or one takes the power itself as a group of people or cartel who makes itself known-namely the evil demon Bankers and CB's. But where ought the allegiance of a CB lie? The call of human conscience manifests itself as Care . The call of conscience does not report events; "it" calls without uttering anything. "It" calls against our expectations and even against our will. How are we to determine what is said in the talk that belongs to this kind of discourse? What does the conscience call to the human to whom it appeals? Taken strictly, I think NOTHING . GATA in fact says Nothing essential about the gold market; it is like reading a fanciful publication or tabloid that you can buy in your local supermarket. If GATA had a conscience it would summon humans forth to its own creative possibilities, rather than sounding like a dogmatic totalitarian preacher. Conscience discourses usually in the mode of keeping silent. I think it's important to explicitly raise the question of who does the calling in the call of conscience. In conscience a human being calls itself. As the caller of conscience, a human being is definable by nothing at all. This caller is unfamiliar to those humans who take refuge in the GATA doctrine. It is something like an alien voice. What could be more alien to GATA, lost in the manifold world of its concern, than the free thinking creative Humanist which has been individualized down to itself in its innermost being and been thrown into Nothingness? "It" calls, even though it gives the concernfully curious ear nothing to hear which might be passed along in further retelling and talked about in public. Yes, the gold market gives signals to the astute trader who listens and is not full of GATA. I pass over most of your posts too. I'm only interested in insight. So, investors and traders in the gold market need not resort to GATA if they want to maximize profit; indeed, GATA is so far from clarifying the call of conscience and the state of the gold market that instead it annihilates both. In the end, does not the reason why explanations of the conscience and GATA's explanations of the gold market gone off the track, lie in the fact that humans like You, Mr.GATA, have not looked long enough to establish your findings as to the call, and that a human being has been presupposed as having some kind of definiteness or indefiniteness, whichever it may chance? Why should anyone look to alien powers like GATA for information before we have made sure that in starting our analysis we have not given too low an assessment of a human being, regarding it as an innocuous subject that is being controlled and manipulated by evil forces? I praise Human Creative Intelligence and analysis. This is why I criticize GATA.