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To: Lane3 who wrote (19811)	7/31/2001 11:02:20 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Why should, for example, a 23 year old couple who think they are in love and and who are beginning to talk about marriage wait until marriage? I'm not saying they should, but if I might be able to make the argument for some of those who think they should without relying on the idea that sex is indecent. I would imagine one objection would be that sex can result in pregnacy even when contraception is used. (I know kids that are examples of this) If one is against abortion, and thinks that an effort should be made to only create kids in a family situation with two parents that that would argue against them having sex. I think this is a better argument against casual sex then it is an argument against sex in your example. If a couple is in love and is commited enough to atleast think about marriage then there is a good chance they will stay together if a pregnancy results. Also while neither single parenthood, or having two parents who are not together involved in the child's life is an ideal situation, neither is the end of the world and the likelihood of conception can be greatly reduced if the couple is careful. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (19811)	7/31/2001 11:05:45 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Then what was it?" Me..."Decency requires a true regard for the well being of partners, as well as, others who may be effected by trampings." Message 16147069 This is the definition that I gave for decency of the cuff. If you want to offer another one or tweek this one, fine with me. So we have to look at two questions: 1)do you agree that this represents decency? then, 2) under what conditions is it violated? If you agree with this definition of decency then we have a starting point. You began with casual sex among and betwixt adults but are now posing long term relationship as your scenario. In my state a long term loving relationship in which the individuals have become partners in life does constitute a marriage. I don't care to pick the bone clean over this if we are that close to agreement.