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To: Frank Pembleton who wrote (92923)	7/31/2001 10:19:17 PM
From: Art Bechhoefer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 95453

Frank, it is hard for me to believe that the contribution to greenhouse gas in Alberta would exceed that in Ontario, and particularly in the region around Hamilton, but since I am not all that familiar with conditions in Alberta, maybe you're right. As for living in Canada, my nephew moved from the U.S. to BC, where he has been teaching math at Simon Fraser for several years. He likes the job and apparently gets along very well in Canada in general, as he is completely bilingual in English and French. The present administration has refused to have any part of the Kyoto agreement because of what may most appropriately be called a "Texas attitude." It is less a question of party affiliation and more a cultural norm in Texas. It is also the product of a foreign policy staff that has, to put it mildly, virtually no experience in diplomacy, leaving the U.S. in the position of being a majority of one. In an earlier post, I referred to Montana Power company, an electric utility that built and operated several coal fired generating plants in Montana. These plants were fairly heavy polluters, but they were cleaned up to the point where they all exceeded the minimum standards applicable to new coal fired generating plants under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. And the company was profitable, besides. The company eventually sold off its utility plants but retained the transmission line right of way and built a fiber optic network, transforming itself from an electric utility into a long distance telecom firm. It is now the only major long distance firm without any debt whatsoever. The point I am making is that a dirty coal plant can be cleaned up at reasonable cost (i.e., at a low enough cost to enable the company to operate a clean plant at a profit). The Kyoto proposals aren't perfect, but with a bit of diplomacy (which the present administration lacks), the proposals could have been improved to give every signatory nation a fair shake. Those of us who have spent years in the area of foreign affairs and who have a lot of experience negotiating can probably see the errors more clearly than others with less experience. As my father (also a Foreign Service Officer) used to say, diplomacy is both art and science. Art

To: Frank Pembleton who wrote (92923)	7/31/2001 10:25:11 PM
From: isopatch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 95453

<not because we don't care about the environment, it's because this is nothing more than a socialist power grab> Good post, Frank. We've got exactly the same political problem with defacto socialists in the US. They run from the word like the plague. But when it comes to policies it's always more government and less private economy. But the American electorate are rarely given the truth about where this constant growth of the public vs the private sector will end. To keep the momentum going in that direction there's been a powerful disinformation and mud slinging against business, especially natural resources, power and manufacturing sectors for decades by the political left. But without their many allies in the old elite media strong hold - the New York based TV networks, the major universities and the American Federation of Teachers they'd never be able to manipulate public opinion to distort the issues and promote their socialist agenda. Isopatch