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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E who wrote (20080)	7/31/2001 11:44:49 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I agree with you. You know, I think, from our history that I am not a prude. <sly, delighted, memory rich g> But in the "real world" the concept that people should be free to engage in the sex act as long as it feels good to them has consequences. Some are obvious -- AIDS, pregnancy. I'm sure the man who has, what, nine illegitimate children so far and is supporting none of them feels strongly that what he does sexually in the privacy of his home is his and his partner's business and none of society's. Unfortunately, he's wrong. Society is paying big bucks for his escapades. Edit: after I hit Submit it occurred to me that this ties in with my recent exchange with SR. He, too, wants to deny that his actions -- his postings -- have consequences. It's all in "fun." But too often it isn't. There are consequences, whether he wants to acknowledge it or not. Other consequences are less obvious but potentially more devestating. There are, IMO, reasons why we were created as a species in which it takes two genders to make a child. Research seems to be showing what our great-great-great etc grandparents knew instinctively -- that the best environment for a child to grow up in is a stable two-parent family. As a society, however, we are rapidly moving away from the concept that our actions have consequences. We want to believe that we can float through life doing what we want to, and if anything goes wrong it's somebody else's fault, not ours. Acceptance of responsibility is a rapidly diminishing societal trait, and I think is probably going to lead our society to the same place it led the Roman society. Anyhow, that discussion could go on far longer than I have time for tonight. But I do think those people who want to emphasize a return to "traditional values" have a lot of good sociology and science behind them, even if they are obnoxious enough to couch it in religious or moral terms and turn huge number of people off thereby.

To: E who wrote (20080)	8/1/2001 6:51:02 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Having insisted upon the use of the term, let me say that it was never my intention to discuss the acrobatics of sex, as it were, or even the utility of toys or games, so I do not think that one need worry about decency being made to censure practices in detail. But it is relevant to talk about the integrity of the sexual relationship within the context of one's larger dealings with people, and I do think that issues like seduction, provocative dress in the workplace, "teasing", and so forth are relevant.......