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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (6628)	8/4/2001 8:15:55 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Pharmaceuticals derived from plants include taxol, ipecac, quinine, digitalis, atropine, codeine, cocaine, ephedrine, etoposide, morphine, yohimbine, vinblastine, vincristine, and my own favorite, caffeine. I've watched a documentary about acupuncture filmed in China by physicians from Harvard Medical School who went in right after we started being allowed to go to China in the early 1970's. The most remarkable part was a woman who was having open heart surgery with acupuncture as the anesthetic. She was awake during the operation, lying on her side, talking, and taking occasional sips of tea. Maurice, I could see it with my own eyes. She was in a standard operating room, everyone was draped, the doctors were gowned and gloved, using sterile technique, I could see the open surgical wound in the side of her chest, see into it, and I could see that she was awake and sipping tea calmly. I saw it in the early 70's, too, so I know it wasn't computer generated or fiddled with. I was a surgical tech back then, so I had seen many surgical procedures myself. >>I doubt that my ancestors were painting themselves blue<< I assumed you were of British ancestry. Actually, the Europeans were weaving cloth thousands of years ago, too.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (6628)	8/4/2001 10:39:15 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Maurice, for some reason, I feel drawn to write to you each and every weekend, again and again, as if I am tuned into a dark cosmic puzzle requiring solution and a cellular wrong requiring redemptive action:0) <<Life expectancy in the USA exceeds that of China>> ... True, when averaged across all PRC population, including the 700 mm peasants, comprising of 200 mm in the poorest areas where trees do not grow. False if comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges, meaning urban folks to urban folks. Unfortunately, this is starting to change, not so much with America catching up, but with China falling down, as diets get McD-ed, and cars replace bicycles. Progress, cannot live with, and cannot live without, literally. The practice of keeping mistresses also has a positive action on prolonging life for some ancient but as yet unexplained reason. <<Acupuncture is nonsense>> ... This statement, more than any other you have thus made on all your postings, throws your QCOM bullishness into severe doubt. A British power company executive had a massive backache attack while travelling with me to the extent that he had to be lifted out by hotel staff out of the bathtub. Had him walking in 6 hours, and now he makes appointment with Chinese Doc before each of his China trips. <<Herbal medicine is mostly nonsense too, on a par with homeopathy and 'alternative' medicine>> ... I will not bother to refute this because you did not mean it;0) Well, that was fun for me:0) Chugs, Jay