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To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (6631)	8/4/2001 7:30:55 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<China, even in the disastrous case of NOT accepting QCOM and other glass beads you're talking about, is not in stone age. It was not in stone age, when your and my forefathers learnt how to climb down the tree. > Why don't you ask the most directly experiental expert here how stone age it was in China when he was a youngster and Mao was marauding. Barbarism ruled! We aren't talking DNA here DJ, we are talking politics and economics. China has been in a mess for all of the 20th century. That doesn't mean that they didn't invent silk and the abacus and who climbed out of trees first is irrelevant [not to mention a misrepresentation of human development]. You are obviously misunderstanding. If you grunt to yourself as you read, you'll get it. China was a backwater communist dump from which people swam for their lives to freedom [New Zealand] if they didn't get killed or starved first. It was in the stone age. My point is that they will, if they choose, buy straight into the latest and greatest. I am not interested in sending gunboats to make people in China buy CDMA, though you make up such a dumb idea and attribute it to me. How come you have such trouble understanding the point? It's easy. China seems likely to go from a small, agrarian, militaristic, Mao economy run at the barrel of a gun to the world's biggest and it can happen in a short time. A single generation. That's because new born babies learn really really fast. They don't carry baggage. The adopt new stuff. They don't have twisted pair so they'll buy CDMA. Surely you can get that? You are the reader, not just me, myself and I. I am interested in intelligent ideas [such as Jay, CB and Don and others give]. Have you got any? I will read them. China is big and getting bigger. Fast. They are increasingly underpinning the world's economy. That's relevant to the great financial collapse idea. It doesn't matter about the boring silk and pyramids. That's long gone. Irrelevant. The British are still reliving the empire. It's time to move on. Same for China. They can't recount the invention of silk forever - it doesn't put food on the table in the 21st century. Neither are they doing that. They are going hell for leather economically, adopting CDMA and a lot more besides. Mq

To: smolejv@gmx.net who wrote (6631)	8/6/2001 12:04:53 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

The oldest civilization in the World is the one that started in the Middle Eastern cultural hearth and then spread west to Europe, Greece, Rome, England, America. And now it is the dominant global culture. That's the facts. China also got a fairly early start (but later) had many great developments and may have been more technologically advanced than Europe in some areas at times but it ultimately succumbed to the West. First Japan (in the mid 19th century) and now China set out to copy the Western success story. Personally, my ancestors say 2000 years ago were probably mostly in Israel, Germany, and Ireland. Even the Celtic cultures in places like Ireland weren't that primitive at that point. They had by that point absorbed all the Middle Eastern advances in agriculture, metal working etc and were engaged with trade with the European/Mediterranean world. They didn't have writing or centralized urban cultures. But they weren't exactly in the trees or stone age. And not 1000 years before that either. David