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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (20599)	8/4/2001 10:25:43 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I agree that we have been more than magnanimous in the really big things, but then we diminish ourselves with petty rudensss. It is tiresome to have the European elites indulge in a fatuous anti- Americanism whenever given half a chance. In the end, our dignity requires standing up straight, not bending over and asking for another...... I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not talking about giving up anything real. We don't need to sign Kyoto to be magnanimous, only to say "no" in a more considerate way. We're much too powerful to act so cocky without looking like jerks. Karen

To: Neocon who wrote (20599)	8/6/2001 8:35:03 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

. Instead of handling their own mess, yet once again they enlisted the United States to do the heavy lifting during the Kosovo crisis, for example. There's an interesting problem there. I agree with this. More pertinently, so do many EU leaders... however, moves to set up a European RRF independent of the US (for which the French in particular were keen) were/are strongly opposed by the US. In addition, US allies like Turkey were against any force that was outside NATO (which, by and large, does as the US wants). I'm not sure there's any easy way through. Again, politeness in diplomacy costs nothing. Remember the corporate advice - Don't be too keen to stamp on others' fingers as you climb the ladder: you may meet them again when you're on the way down. Of course, if you're convinced that this triumph is eternal then it doesn't matter. But this would be seeming to ignore those same realities of power and the cumulative weight of history you invoke... ;-\| (BTW, I'd say Poland bore rather more of the brunt of WWII than the US or any other country... during and afterwards...)