To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (6802 ) 8/7/2001 12:54:20 AM From: Ilaine Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Warlords! I remember them. They called themselves barons and forced Kind John to sign the Magna Charta. >>The American wars you cite, all happened away from the settled homeland except for the Revolutionary War and to a lesser extent, the Civil War<< Errrrr - in what way was the Civil War not fought on American territory? Do you mean that people were killing and being killed in Virginia and Pennsylvania instead of, say, New York? You might want to rethink that. All of the Civil War was fought on the "settled homeland" of the United States. Prior to the Civil War, the city of New Orleans was the richest city in the country, far richer than New York or Boston. I live in the vicinity of many Civil War battlefields, passing one or another almost daily. My office is two blocks from the site where one of the first battles was fought, not so far from where George Mason lived, and George Washington, and Robert E. Lee, and Lighthorse Harry Lee. Robert E. Lee surrendered less than 50 miles from here, not too far north from where Thomas Jefferson lived, and James Madison. The French and Indian War was fought in the US and Canada, mostly in the Alleghany and Ohio regions. Presque Isle was in Pennsylvania, Ft. Duquesne, near present day Pittsburgh. Acadie was what we now call Maine. Ft. Ticonderoga was in New York. Ft. Kaskaskia and Ft. Cahokia were in Illinois. It was "settled homeland" to the rawboned Kaintucks who fought it, led by a tall, red-haired, rawboned young man named George Washington. The last battle of the War of 1812 was fought in my own home town of New Orleans, but the more significant part was fought further north. Dolley Madison, James Madison's wife, personally saved the originals of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution when the White House was burned. Francis Scott Key wrote the Star Spangled Banner during the bombing of Ft. McHenry, in Baltimore. As for lawlessness - sorry, due to the bizarre nature of the melting pot, I am descended from Cherokees who walked on the Trail of Tears, Chippewa who were forced to live on reservations, Cajuns who had to leave Acadie and move to Acadia, and more, but I won't bore you. If you learn about history from history books, you get the version told by the victors. The point I am trying to make is that US history is much more "chaotic" than you seem to realize. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As for China - if Jay doesn't choose to set you straight, I won't bother.