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To: Moominoid who wrote (6809)8/7/2001 4:13:33 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
First of all there's nothing like off-topic here - we're doing fine by using our common-sense judgement. My spinning yarn on the history of lipizzaner is far more OT than your concerns - and nobody flamed me for that(g).

In the future, if you feel you have an important message to say, but you feel it's off-topic, just post with OT - .... Like I did for instance:

Message 16169074

The question inherent to this discussion, seems to me, is sadly the question of equilibrium between our natural drive for personal/group assertion and respect for difference/otherness.

re >>...another said Europe etc. was in the Stone Age or Trees (!)... << that was me and (of course) literally I was wrong (as an European I sure am supposed to know that). Hope my sarcasm did not cause any permanent damages(g)

dj



To: Moominoid who wrote (6809)8/7/2001 5:41:53 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<And I didn't mean to say that there is necessarily anything good about the Western conquest of the entire world. They were just meaner and more aggressive and monomaniacal than anyone else >

Of course there was something necessarily good about the Western 'conquest' of the entire world. That's why the entire world continues to adopt 'western' concepts. They make life civilized, more prosperous and better almost any way you measure it.

India hasn't got rid of the British stuff. Neither has Hong Kong. Nor Japan [which they got via the USA]. Neither has the USA.

They were NOT "just meaner and more aggressive". That's stupid and ignorant of legal, mercantile, democratic, ethical and other norms which the British instigated around the world.

If the West was so bad, people would dump those norms when the British left. Some have done, so go and enjoy the happy British-free lifestyle of many parts of Africa where British influence disappeared decades ago. They were better off with British 'rulers'. The USA expanded by voluntary association because the rules and civilization are beneficial. That process continues with Nafta, WTO, UN etc. Western concepts. People like them.

Slavery, cannibalism, totalitarianism, tribalism, superstition etc are horrible ways to live. The West replaced them. Good riddance.

Mq