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To: Joan Osland Graffius who wrote (91674)	8/11/2001 5:43:41 PM
From: Don Lloyd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

Joan - ...My observation is they are doing smart things to try and get a natural environment that is friendly to human being as well as the natural balance of things. ... While you may well have observed this, the actual leadership of environmentalism worldwide is implacably opposed to individual human beings and their freedom. Many of them have made little or no effort to disguise this fact. To the extent that the greens achieve their goals of effective worldwide political control by whatever means necessary, worldwide poverty, famine, disease and war are inevitable. ...You may disagree with their policy that people that work have a right to a living wage. ... It doesn't matter what I think, the problem is with the people that are thrown out of work, or who are never allowed to work in the first place. Only governments, or non-profits, can provide make-work jobs that pay more than the work performed is worth. ...What I noticed is they do not have a crime problem as we have in the States. ... It has only been a few years since the implementation of a firearm confiscation policy. Just as in Britain, the crime rates have already begun to explode. If you were to return in 10 years, I would not want to be the one who had written your life insurance policy. -ng- Good Luck, Don

To: Joan Osland Graffius who wrote (91674)	8/11/2001 9:02:28 PM
From: Terry Maloney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 132070

Very nice post, Joan. crime is more expensive to a society than a policy of living wages I find it strange that there's any debate about this at all ... does anybody seriously think that 'the poor' are just going to acquiesce, roll over and die? Regards, Terry

To: Joan Osland Graffius who wrote (91674)	8/13/2001 1:38:59 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

You may disagree with their policy that people that work have a right to a living wage. This policy IMO comes from Europe sending its underclass to Australia and since its population has its roots from the underclass, one would expect this policy to be normal. What I noticed is they do not have a crime problem as we have in the States. This policy could be the reason since people do not have to steal to be able to have the basic essentials in life. I am beginning to believe that crime is more expensive to a society than a policy of living wages for those who work. I think that most crimes are not committed by people with steady low paying jobs, but rather by people who are unemployed or who are only sporadically employed. A "living wage" law can increase unemployment. I'm not disputing that Australia has a lower crime figure then the US (although I think it is growing while crime here is going down) but I don't think this is the reason. Tim