To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2786 ) 8/15/2001 7:39:39 AM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908 There's NO doubt that the status of women in ALL societies before WWII's full mobilization of the national work force, had been one of disenfranchisement. But that said, the women's "liberation" movement began in the west, not in the middle east. And it's not just about "a women's place is in the home" because we saw Western cultures educating their women much earlier than just the past 5 decades. But only recently are we seeing Arab women being permitted to be educated, let alone pursue careers. And btw, widespread education FOR ALL CHILDREN, whether male or female, is something that did not exist in the US until the latter 1800's, and then only through the grade school level. This is what the Arabs fear most about Israel. They use the rhetoric of "the Jews killed Isa (Jesus)" to justify their desire to prevent western values from encroaching and disrupting the past and current power structures within Arab society. And such SOCIETAL DISRUPTION WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE JEWS BROUGHT TO PALESTINE.. They opened the eyes of Arab women. They showed them that they could be considered equal under the law and that their husband's power over them was limited by that law. They learned that other cultures gave women equal protection under their law. But the Arabs have gotten so caught up in believing their own reactionary rhetoric, and trying to throw out the "colonialist Jews", that they have failed to see how their societies are slowly evolving to incorporate the very things they feared 50 years ago. The hatred they once directed toward Jews as an excuse for guarding their reactionary societal structures against western "contamination" is now hatred. The "contamination" has occurred already, and continues inexorably forward toward establishing the concept of "inalienable rights". Unfortunately, the hatred of the Jews has taken on a life of its own, possibly fueled by jealousy over what such a small nation has achieved despite being surrounded by enemies bent upon destroying them. Whether you like the Israelis or not, there is NO DOUBT that the presence of that nation in the mid-east over the past 50+ years has drastically altered the culture of the region. Hawk