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To: Lane3 who wrote (22872)8/18/2001 7:50:35 AM
From: Poet  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 82486
 
Hi Karen,

Interesting question. I just had a PM from YYB, who looked in on the thread last night and was pretty disgusted with what the thread has become. Originally intended as an annex of The Left Wing Porch, it was supposed to be a place where political arguments are hashed out and settled before people return to the political threads. It's morphed into something very different, and, in my opinion, darker.

A few people, you, Neo, Chris and Tim chief among them, debate issues. Much of the rest of the thread's content (in the past few weeks) has been snide asides, name-calling and free of substantive thought. I got very angry at how Win was being treated and how (I felt) some very important lines were crossed WRT X. I set out two days ago to to give those who I felt were the worst offenders a taste of their own invective.

Interestingly, it was an aside about homophobia and not my comments about his character and intelligence that got jla and others angry enough to have an honest conversation. This could be because jla is not a homophobe, merely someone who accepts homophobic comments and promotes hatred in general. It could also be that I hit a nerve and despite protests that political correctness is silly, no one wants one wants to be called on the public carpet as a homophobe.

I found the ensuing discussion, brought up by you and Tim, I believe, about personal responsibility in the face of hatred to be really interesting and valuable. I think that kind of responsibility is ultimately one's personal choice, though I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you to know that my choice is to speak up when I see intolerance, not to ignore it.

In the end, the past couple of days were ones of good learning for me. I have to admit that I felt "pumped" by the hours I spent insulting others and I can now understand, to some degree, why some people repeatedly engage in that kind of behavior. It's the cyber version of cigarettes, except instead of polluting one's own lungs, invective pollutes the world one little bit at a time.



To: Lane3 who wrote (22872)8/18/2001 7:59:12 AM
From: Poet  Respond to of 82486
 
I'm not sure if you've been following this case, but I think it's heartbreaking:

August 18, 2001

Prosecutors Say Greed Drove Pharmacist to
Dilute Drugs

By PAM BELLUCK

KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 17 — In
the relatively sedate and step-by- step
world of the retail pharmacist, Robert R.
Courtney was considered something of a
swashbuckler, a wealthy, energetic
businessman, adept at catching the next
entrepreneurial wave.

One of Mr. Courtney's more enterprising
moves, fellow pharmacists say, involved
chemotherapy drugs. Some 20 years ago,
he became one of the first pharmacists in
Kansas City to dispense the cancer
medication in premixed bags to doctors.
That saved doctors the trouble of mixing and
measuring the drugs and allowed them to
hook the bags directly up to patients'
intravenous tubes.

"A lot of pharmacists don't want to do that,
they don't want the responsibility," said Jim
Frederich, a retired pharmacist who
employed Mr. Courtney for a decade and
then sold him his pharmacy. "He was always
looking for some other avenue to provide a
service, always thinking outside the box."

But federal authorities now believe that Mr.
Courtney's zeal may have had another,
potentially devastating, side effect.

On Wednesday, the pharmacist was
charged with diluting the cancer medicine he
dispensed. Federal investigators say
hundreds of cancer patients may have
received treatment that was drastically
weaker than what their doctors had
intended.

Mr. Courtney, a man worth more than $10
million, told investigators he cut the drugs' strength "out of greed," according
to court papers filed today by prosecutors. They said he admitted he began
diluting drug potency in November 2000 and stepped up the deception from
March through May of this year.

"It's an astonishing case even to the people who are working it because it
involves a very egregious breach of trust between a pharmacist and a doctor
and patient," said Jeff Lanza, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of
Investigation in Kansas City. He said investigators believe that at least 10
physicians could have received diluted drugs. Investigators have been trying
to contact patients who may have received diluted drugs and are checking
records from Mr. Courtney's business, Research Medical Tower Pharmacy.

Mr. Courtney is accused of diluting Taxol and Gemzar, used to treat a
variety of cancers, including pancreatic and lung cancer, advanced ovarian
and breast cancer, and AIDS- related Kaposi's sarcoma. The filing also said
Mr. Courtney admitted diluting two other chemotherapy drugs, Paraplatin
and Platinol.

Federal investigators say that samples of Taxol and Gemzar that Mr.
Courtney dispensed contained no more than 39 percent of the medicine that
had been prescribed. One premixed bag contained less than 1 percent of the
Gemzar prescribed. The drugs are usually dissolved in saline, and Mr.
Courtney was apparently putting higher proportions of saline into the bag.

Such discrepancies could have netted the pharmacist a substantial amount of
money, a federal affidavit in the case suggests. In one instance, Mr. Courtney
is accused of providing only 450 milligrams of Gemzar for what should have
been a 1,900 milligram prescription. The price of 1,900 milligrams is $1,021,
compared with $242 for 450 milligrams. Consequently, Mr. Courtney could
have pocketed $779, the affidavit says.

Medical and pharmaceutical experts say they have never heard of another
case in which a pharmacist was accused of diluting medication.

"Everybody I've talked to is just unbelieving aghast, and just can't believe this
kind of thing could happen in the United States," said Dr. Fred DeFeo,
chairman of council of the Missouri State Medical Association. "It is certainly
possible that some have had cancers that could have been cured that
weren't."

A lawyer for Mr. Courtney, Jean Paul Bradshaw, said that his client would
plead not guilty and would not comment on Friday's filing. In an interview,
Mr. Bradshaw said Mr. Courtney was cooperating with investigators. While
not acknowledging wrongdoing on the part of his client, Mr. Bradshaw said
that he believed that no more than 50 patients could have been affected and
that only one physician was affected. In the court filing, Mr. Courtney also
said the dilutions affected only one doctor's patients and that the doctor was
unaware of the tampering.

On Wednesday, a federal magistrate, saying that Mr. Courtney was a flight
risk, ordered him held without bail on a single charge of adulterating and
misbranding a drug. It carries a maximum penalty of three years in prison and
a fine of $250,000.

The F.B.I. has said that homicide or manslaughter charges were possible if
investigators linked the diluted drugs to a death.

More than 1,000 people have called an F.B.I. hot line, and two civil suits
have been filed. Many people say they are agonizing over the prospect that
they or their loved ones may have been deceived.

"The thought of a person doing that is devastating — to shorten a person's
life even one minute is too much," said William Van Sant, 56, of
Independence, Mo., whose wife, Rachel, received Taxol from Mr.
Courtney's pharmacy to treat her endometrial cancer. Mrs. Van Sant died
last year after her three chemotherapy treatments were unsuccessful.

Mr. Van Sant met this week with his wife's oncologist. "I asked her if she
could have received a diluted solution," Mr. Van Sant said, "and she said it
could have been possible."

Mrs. Van Sant's doctor, Verda Hunter, alerted the F.B.I. to the possibility
that Mr. Courtney was diluting drugs, said Diana Jordison, a spokeswoman
for Dr. Hunter.

The federal affidavit, which does not name Dr. Hunter, said the doctor was
told in May by a representative from the Eli Lilly Corporation, the sole
manufacturer of Gemzar, that records showed that Mr. Courtney's store
could not have been supplying the doctor with as much Gemzar as she
thought she was getting. The representative said Eli Lilly's records showed
Mr. Courtney had purchased only about a third of the amount he claimed to
have supplied.

The doctor then sent samples of drugs she had ordered from the pharmacy in
for testing. When the laboratory reported those drugs were at only one-third
strength, she called federal authorities. Investigators asked her to order more
Taxol and Gemzar, and, said Chris Whitley, a spokesman for the United
States attorney's office here, "all of those so far have shown to contain
considerably less medicine than the doctor had prescribed and than what the
pharmacy had labeled these prescriptions as containing."

Mr. Lanza said that because the specific doses that patients were prescribed
are most likely gone, it may not be possible to prove that an individual patient
received diluted medicine. He said investigators might have to rely on "a lot
of circumstantial facts," comparing drugs prescribed to the amount Mr.
Courtney purchased from manufacturers and showing "that it would be
physically impossible for that person to receive the prescribed amount of
drug."

Some pharmacists who are friendly with Mr. Courtney have suggested that
he might have been working with drugs that were diluted in the manufacturing
or were improperly labeled. Several oncology experts disagreed, saying drug
production is tightly regulated.

Oncology experts said most major cancer clinics and many smaller oncology
practices make sure they mix drugs themselves to avoid mistakes in the
prescribed dosage.

"I'd want to deal with a rep that I could look at in the eye and say `these are
your drugs, right?' and be confident in the quality," said Dr. Nicholas J.
Vogelzang of the University of Chicago Cancer Research Center.

In fact, in Kansas City, John Hennessy, executive director of one oncology
and hematology clinic, said in an interview that two of his clinic's doctors had
left another clinic partly because that clinic did not mix its own chemotherapy
drugs.

At his hearing, there were several supporters of Mr. Courtney, 48, the son of
a retired Assemblies of God minister. A 1975 graduate of the University of
Missouri at Kansas City, he is married and has five children.

Some cancer experts said today that giving diluted medicine to a cancer
patient is galling because patients with such a desperate illness are so reliant
on their doctors.

"For cancer patients who are so dependent on us in their fight against their
disease," said Dr. John E. Niederhuber of the Association of American
Cancer Institutes, "you ask how could this happen?"



To: Lane3 who wrote (22872)8/18/2001 9:21:09 AM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Here is yet another false accusation.

Message 16228346

Apparently, Poet learned nothing. Not a surprise for someon who believes they know it all I suppose.....

JLA