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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (23966)	8/22/2001 12:02:57 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

To what purpose would you propose to start WWIII all over again?<VBG> JLA

To: Lane3 who wrote (23966)	8/22/2001 12:10:05 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 82486

I thought we had mopped up on that stuff yesterday. But, if you like, I'll pack back down into the crater with ya. Your request is for an ID that would qualify people who live by Principle and Morals and contrast that with Other People. The PMs and the OPs. The PMs not to be confused with persons who send private mail or who have monthly probs with their chemistry; and the OPs not to be confused with persons who look like Andy's son. I have some things to do but I will try to get back to you on this later in the day...you din't like my lion story :(

To: Lane3 who wrote (23966)	8/22/2001 12:14:34 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

May I take a crack at it?: the PMs are those who acknowledge an objective moral order to which they should conform. The OPs regard values as personal, and "being moral" as a matter of personal integrity (being true to themselves)......

To: Lane3 who wrote (23966)	8/22/2001 2:05:41 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, you have opened the door to a giant hall that I don’t think I can fill but lets start here: PMs: Persons who recognize that there is basic truth in what is right and what is wrong regarding the human condition; that these basic truths form a foundation on which to establish principles for living. Persons who have faith, yes faith; that living according to these principles is justified though the wholeness of time. Persons who seek to make decisions based on a principle, rather than expediency. OPs: Everyone who is not a PM. Case studies: PM: Jesus (this is such a well known case I don’t think we need to go into details) OP: Politicians who fit this description: "When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you...” I wont mention a specific name here, as there may be people here who still like bill clinton and I wouldn’t want to offend them or E. (edit: oh, yeah "gg," sheeesh) How ‘bout we start here and once your left wing extremist friends have had ample quibbling opportunities we can go from there. and why don't you like my lion story?