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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (24123)	8/22/2001 9:28:21 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 82486

Well, Karen will have to explain her own position for you. I can see why you would be confused. She set some criteria but asked me to identify characteristics of PMs and OPs. I did, Neocon added his thoughts, as did jlallen. I don't really get Karen's point either. She seems to be carrying the banner for a bunch of left wing extremists buddies who've gotten bloodied in some previous "discussions." If she has another explanation, that's fine.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (24123)	8/22/2001 9:50:16 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I can't see basing it on religion. Neo says that without God there is no meaning in the world. I expect that has something to do with this. I'm sure that Neo will explain it all in the morning. Karen

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (24123)	8/22/2001 10:32:11 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I can't see basing it on religion I agree. Maybe. Actually, religion is irrelevant to it. After all, I don't know of any religion which has been around for more than 200 years which hasn't modified its principles at least somewhat. So the idea that just because principles are based on religion they are absolute is a fiction. OTOH, I believe to be legitimate PMP principles they have to be based on something beyond the individual. If my "principles" are nothing more than "this at this moment I believe," they don't, IMO, mean diddley. Those aren't principles, the way I define principles. So one has to ask, are there bases for belief beyond the individual which are not religious? And I guess that depends on your definition of religion. I'll leave that here for the time being, as a work in progress.