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To: Neocon who wrote (24237)	8/23/2001 9:32:50 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Missed the window, meant "latter".....

To: Neocon who wrote (24237)	8/23/2001 9:39:58 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

do we take values as purely personal and arbitrary, or do we think there is a standard by which personal values can be judged and discussed, amended and improved? Another question, very relevant: if we accept that a standard exists, do we assume that the standard in question is absolute, or do we believe that the standard is also amenable to judgement, discussion, amendment, and improvement? This to me is a much more significant question, since I have yet to hear anyone argue that values are purely personal and arbitrary. The debate that I have seen most frequently here is between those who believe that values are created by humans out of human experience, and that they develop and change as societies develop and change, and those who believe that values are determined by some hypothetical outside factor. I haven't seen the notion the notion that values are or should be purely personal and arbitrary enter the picture. The notion that values must be either absolute and externally referenced or completely personal and arbitrary is not supportable; there is a world of space between those extremes.

To: Neocon who wrote (24237)	8/23/2001 9:45:45 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

or do we think there is a standard by which personal values can be judged and discussed, amended and improved? I wonder, then, why we are not discussing this more... Karen