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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (25572)	8/31/2001 5:47:38 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I like that very much, the nature of man. I think that is a self evident truth that can be agreed upon without requiring a higher power to mete out justice. btw, are you saying that was a subtle, specious, or crafty argument? Seriously, I see how it could look like a set-up. But I am here to learn. During my vacation (I was suspended) in the wilderness (posting on various yahoo boards), I realized how much I came to understand my values and beliefs while posting on SI. And that I wanted to continue, so that is the intent of the post.

To: Neocon who wrote (25572)	8/31/2001 5:51:47 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

or it is a consensus about social order arrived at by a culture, in which case rights are something bestowed, and, if not bestowed, one is out of luck....... And is that not in fact what is observed? What do you mean by "inherent in the nature of man"? Breathing may be inherent in the nature of man; speech most likely is. But the principles of a legal system? I find that very hard to believe. And history to this point appears to contradict that. Even government is no more that 10,000 years old; democracy no more than 2500; "the rights of man" no more than a few hundred. For something inherent, they certainly took a long time to emerge.