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To: mightylakers who wrote (14721)	9/1/2001 11:33:45 AM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 34857

Thanks to all the discussion, I think I get the bottom line now. Nokia is in a serious pickle with its GPRS Holiday schedule. If its handsets do not contain the standards-mandated PBCCH/PCCCH features, it's likely that they will have to be recalled when the networks turn on GPRS as it is presently specified. What carrier would want to promote such a GPRS handset at Christmas? What rational carrier would buy into a guaranteed PR problem? No doubt the issue will somehow be resolved in time--but it is unlikely to be fixed in enough time for Nokia to claim fully GPRS-compliant handsets for sale by the Holidays. This is September now, and Santa doesn't wait. It appears that Nokia's statements that it will deliver GPRS handsets in time for the Holidays is male bovine manure. Just my opinion.

To: mightylakers who wrote (14721)	9/1/2001 1:39:15 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

Mlakers, repeating what you was told in school today, forgetting all those small definitions which are so important?? In the R97 standard, a GPRS handset must use PCCCH/PBCCH if they are presented. The reason for the additional channels is that there will be more signaling msgs going on when you are running the packet show and there are a lot of GPRS phones around. And what you want in that unsure, untested future is that you don't want to clog(ging) up the CCCH / BCCH which are also now, tested and verified, carrying the signaling msgs for the voice apps. as well as packets. But the problem with Nokia GPRS problem is that Nokia want it (what it??) to just camp on the tested, verified CCCH/BCCH and not on the the future, untested,unverified channels which no one knows how they will work in real life. (they refers to everything except Gilder's orthogonal space) When ML heard this NOK GPRS interop problem about 2 months ago ML didn't pay that much of attention, as ML did not understand the complexity of it, thinking it must be just a one time bug. Nor do ML expect it could go to the standard body, as ML doesn't understand standard bodies, but luckily operators have a sense of common sense, as they pay the bills for untested, unverified messes, the ones who have to wipe them up, from both behind and upfront. That is why they like Nokia, because Nokia always asks them what they want, although they know why every vendor don't do the same. So looks like from Nok's 1x interop to GPRS interop problems Nokia always finds a tested and verified way to deal with strategic problems of others, trying to protect their little proprietary turf. That is, change the standard to compensate the incompetency of these small market manipulators. Got it?? Can you write, use "untested, unverified" in a sentence??? Ilmarinen I noted neither TIM nor Motorola could do that, BT could, but understood Motorola's traditional screwdriver dilemma. However, what I really admired was the preacher-like blessings of standard bodies, not very common from that direction.