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To: carranza2 who wrote (14861)	9/4/2001 6:35:12 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 34857

OK, we are getting closer.. "If GPRS phones with only BCCH/CCCH channels are used in a GPRS network that one day, months from now, activates PBCCH/PCCCH functions then, as you say, possible disaster" First approximisation: replace the second to last word "possible" with "no" (no disaster) and I'll say AGREE, HALLELUJA, BLESS EVEN ERICSSON (not motorola, though) The key issue, earlier in the sentence, is "who activates"! The key answer, well covered in the GERAN documents, is that: - The NETWORK (Cell) ACTIVATES the "new" (untested, unverified, PBCC/PCCCH function) Ilmarinen I'll agree to this, corrections in parenthesis "If GPRS phones with only BCCH/CCCH channels are used in a GPRS (R97) networks that one day, months from now, (a cell) activates PBCCH/PCCCH functions then, as you say, (no) disaster" (hmm, didn't work out that well, on second reading, but almost) The key factors are - the R97 standard makes it mandatory for handsets to use the "new" (P-this and that) when (in the future) a cell activates it (this P-thingy) - the P-thingy is untested and unverfiable - however, the non-P is tested,verified and verifiable (but less efficient than the P-thing when packet traffic goes high) === For the rest, we need to return to it. Especially this thingy about "Motorola has got it right" (and operators disagree)

To: carranza2 who wrote (14861)	9/4/2001 7:30:22 PM
From: Eric L	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

c2, << Why doesn't Nokia simply delay the sale of GPRS handsets until it figures out how to "P"? >> Initially you asked a sensible question or 2. But ... ... you proclaim NOT to understand answers that people patiently try to give you in response. Since that is the case, perhaps you should do your own research on this subject at your own pace. "P" is not implemented (in a fully tested manner) anywhere by anybody. "P" is not a single function. It is a complex feature set with many functions, that can be used in various combinations, and in some cases mandated for MS but optional on network side. This is NOT a Nokia issue. It IS a a 3GPP GPRS issue (actually several issues) that Nokia flagged week of May 27 for 3GPP, which energized 3GPP into creating an action plan that up until that time had not been created. << If the Nokia non-"P" version is used, is it still GPRS? Does the packet nature of the service still exist if there is no "P"? >> For starters you would be wise to drop the word Nokia from your question ... ... now having done that, if you leave the "P" out, the answer is an unqualified yes. - Eric -