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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (15730)	9/5/2001 11:54:02 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 59480

You don't get to pick and choose among the duties and obligations. Why not? [Warning - pie in the sky, impractical, idea coming] Why not have a two-track citizenship plan. Plan A: You receive your basic Constitutional rights, National Defense and police protection, access to Courts, and all the other narrowly defined common goods. You pay a very low tax rate. BUT, you pay fees for all government services, like a fee to drive on roads, to use national parks, to use all government services that now are "free". You are ineligible for welfare, workers comp, low interest loans, Medicare, Social Security, and all the thousands of other government goodies. Plan B. The current plan everyone is on now. My belief is that if this scheme were implemented honestly, eventually everyone would be on plan A and plan B would wither on the vine.

To: Lane3 who wrote (15730)	9/5/2001 12:02:48 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

I am first and foremost myself. I may have relationships with other people or orginizations. I am a son to my parents, a brother to my 10 siblings, a landlord to my tennent and a citizen of the United States. There are no townhouse sized island nations within Virginia that make you exempt. The only way to escape is to go be a citizen of some other country or be a revolutionary, anarchist, or outlaw within this one. I really don't understand why you fight this very basic notion so fiercely My basic notion is that in an abstract sense the government is not over me nor does it have some superior position or moral status. My practical notion is that laws exist and I have to deal with them. If you don't count speeding I am very law abiding most of the time. I am not saying I will not follow the laws or even that I should not, rather I am saying that there is nothing inherently wrong in not following the law. Doing something that is against the law can be wrong but if so it is not because the law says it is wrong. I don't have a moral obligation to pay taxes and the government does not have a moral right to demand them. I'm not saying congress has to consult me personally when it passes a law, but I am saying that I have no inherent obligations to follow its laws any more then you would have to follow something that I decided I would call law. Practically following laws is a good idea both because of the force the government can bring against you if you don't and because having people act in a law abiding way helps society to function without constant violence. In a very abstract sense I am not even talking about a townhouse sized nation but rather saying that I am a Tim sized nation. I just have chosen to get along within the US sized nation and so I normally follow its laws. Tim Some interesting quotes here - izzy.com