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To: Ilaine who wrote (8444)	9/7/2001 11:15:07 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I thought you were going to watch paint dry, and retreated from the argument: "..that's my story and I'm sticking to it." Remember? After unnecessarily abusing Maurice, who is not a pathetic lying loser but an imaginative and generous soul, I thought your planned course was a good one. Obviously, you need to have the last word. I know lots of lawyers like that. Don't ask me what they're called. Though I know nothing of substance about satellites, Mq clearly bested you in form. Your immature reaction suggests that you lost substantively, as well. Now, only you and Maurice are knowledgeable about who won the argument? The zenith of arrogance! By the way, like you, I know nothing about orbital mechanics. I thought Maurice meant that the photovoltaic wings flapped like a bird's. And, after re-reading Vayda's comment, I suppose it's possible that they do. Mq doesn't need my help, so I'll stop wasting time and bandwidth on the subject. I know better than to get into a pissing contest with a polecat. You are welcome to have the last word.

To: Ilaine who wrote (8444)	9/7/2001 3:45:56 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Since you haven't responded, I'll take the next-to-last word to clear up a small point on which you challenged me. I'm producing evidence [what an awful use of legal jargon; it's your term, not mine] you requested: Mr. Adrenaline, who patiently and generously wasted his time and considerable talent on you. Don't know for a certainty if he's a rocket scientist. He nevertheless sounds like he ought to be one. siliconinvestor.com Message 16270242 By the way, are you self-trained as a lawyer? Any apprenticeship with an old, wise fogey? I learned from a master that it is best not to get into substantive arguments with expert witnesses. Unless the lawyer is exceedingly well-versed, and few are, the expert will make mincemeat out of the lawyer. You are making this neophyte's mistake in your arguments here.

To: Ilaine who wrote (8444)	9/7/2001 5:58:44 PM
From: jim black	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

CB, just a tip off the record, a bit OT, but there were several "Rocket Scientists" involved with Globalstar/Loral and I know that because I spoke with a bunch in their offices, some ballsy enough to do so from their desks at Loral. Several of them remain on all the threads which I follow, known to me by their aliases, something I do not feel compelled to use. All of this was due to a tiff some of us shareholders had with BSSchwartz and his way of "managing" Loral and Globalstar. So just for sake of avoiding embarassment, might want to think about it before challenging who may be a rocket scientist. I sold my Loral stock after the joke of a call that old fart BS patronized me with, on account of my speaking for more then 750,000 shares of Loral. It is all ancient history but I personally hate being caught with a foot in my mouth. Nice weekend to ya... Cheers, Jim Black

To: Ilaine who wrote (8444)	9/7/2001 6:14:28 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

CB, I know that another person who responded is an engineer who actually is responsible for flying satellites. Those people know about making satellites stay on station. <The one honest-to-God rocket scientist who commented on the argument, Jeff Vayda, said this, and only this: Message 16263409; Jeff's comment about flapping wings is a joke. Carranza [and anyone who is on SI pretty much] knows that there is no air in space and photovoltaic wings are not what keeps satellites up. Carranza was having a little laugh at the joke too. Carranza didn't really think the photovoltaic wings flap. You must think people are really stupid. But most of the SI denizens have trouble conceptualizing summer and winter orbits and the resultant photoelectric outputs and need to vary pricing in real time. That includes the Globalstar system designers and marketing management. Motorola figured it out though [even before I did you might be surprised to know]. That's just in case you want to dig yourself in deeper. It's some more CB bait like the zero-priced minutes as a marketing plan [I'd asked you about sales of free minutes and pointed out it was a trick question needing care] to give you an opportunity to display your understanding and that you are correct about the reasons for Globalstar's failure. You had misunderstood the effects of satellite mass on orbital geometry and the need for fuel to keep them on station. But that [as Mr Adrenaline said] is irrelevant to the reason for failure. It was just another mistake which should have been really easy to clear up for you apart from your metaphysical certitude, which was the real cause of Globalstar's failure. The world's economy is hinged on the knife-edge of similar metaphysical certitude, but has inbuilt strength in that no single person or group of people has total control, unlike with Globalstar. Uncle Green$pan does have a large influence - but I note happily that he does NOT manifest metaphysical certitude [which is a different thing from confidence, skill, understanding, determination and so on]. In the financial world, there are billions of Jay Chens and Mqs and everyone else, scuttling around trying to find a good position. That's a powerful balancing force. Of course, the USA congress could go Albanian or North Korean and protect the local economy and jobs, shutting off the outside world of aliens and those who deserve to work for low pay, unlike Americans. That would NOT be good. So far, unlike Globalstar, the metaphysical certitude of the irrationally exuberant and doom and gloomsters have not swept all before them. Too many people exert influence at either end of the world's financial balance, unlike Globalstar which had no countervailing force to restore balance in a timely manner. But it is a matter of timing and we are now waiting to see just how panicked and fearful and how much rebalancing is actually needed. Meanwhile, Uncle Green$pan has got USS Enterprise's reactor pretty much fully stoked, though he can tip some plutonium down the core as well. Hold your Aztec Gold Crosses high folks - it seems to be working for you, just as the New Paradigm was working for the internerd mania during irrational exuberance, [until it wasn't]. Mqurice PS: There are people today doing dishes and working at hard labour in unpleasant conditions for $1 an hour or $1 a day while the kleptocracy steals the earnings of millions of them and blows it on a single picture of a blue individual, surrounded in a sea of bloody communism, representing the poor, sweat shop worker's blood. It's the modern art equivalent of Jesus on the cross. They hang it not on the highway, but in air-conditioned comfort for the cognoscenti and pretentious to vicariously enjoy the suffering of the proletariat in abstract form. Despite their bleeding filling the void, the brave individual remains erect and defiant in a sea of red; they are the captain of their souls. This fascinates and amuses the courtiers of the Kleptomanic Kulture Klub. $12 martinis do not make sense to a family earning $1 a day. $1m blue crucifixes are a cruel insult to the proletariat. A rebalance of the economy is overdue. The irrational exuberance of Wall Street profits had lost all balance with the lives of the middle of the human bell curve. The surge of humanity will rectify the martinis and blue stripes. If somebody wants $12 martinis, they will have to earn them now - that's hard work with blue stripe competitors at $1 a day. philamuseum.org I like that one. The blue stripe was okay by me too [but not the means of paying for it; the irony of the stripe and blood fascinates me - could the artist have realized what they were doing? Maybe. They certainly wouldn't tell their client that.]http://home.istar.ca/~melandre/voicefire.html