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To: TigerPaw who wrote (7874)	9/7/2001 3:26:18 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

As complexity increases, an increase randomness is a necessary outcome. I can't think of a truly complex system that is deterministic, whereas something could be of fractal complexity and relatively high part count, yet could be completely deterministic. The definition of random has to do with probability distributions. I would add a system isn't chaotic UNTIL such randomness occurs. I agree, we are probably talking about the same idea with different trip points. To me complexity, by definition, must involve some aspect of randomness (evolving from the complexity) to be chaotic. You seem to say that complexity (maybe being fractal) alone is enough. I'll have to look around to see what my various books say about it.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (7874)	9/9/2001 12:42:28 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Please help me. I started a random number generator on my Linux system and I guess it had some library incompatibility so it locked into an endless loop. It has been spitting out nonsense numbers for the past 3 weeks now that vary in some crazy way that is not predictable. I looked at the stream and tested it with some statistical and pattern tests from Knuth and have no hope of figuring out how the numbers are formulated or what comes next. I can make no sense out of the output at all. The numbers form no discernible pattern and as such are totally useless to my intended use of using them in an encryption system. I have two questions. Should I shut down the output and If I do, can I get my money back from the program's makers? P.S. It could be that the Pentium f00f bug and my CPU fan acting up caused the trouble. In additions with his model of Linux not compensating for PCI chipset problems. I thought random number generators were supposed to be well behaved and limit the variance of the number stream to some regular pattern that made some kind of sense. EC<:-}