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To: The Philosopher who wrote (26464)	9/11/2001 1:27:53 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

World Reacts with Revulsion to U.S. Attacks LONDON (Reuters) - World leaders reacted with revulsion Tuesday to what President Bush (news - web sites) called an ``apparent terrorist attack'' by aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon (news - web sites) in Washington. But amid the global horror, Palestinian gunmen at refugee camps in Lebanon fired into the air Tuesday to celebrate the news of the attacks. ``America and Israel are one. This is the result of American policy,'' one Palestinian gunman said. No one had yet claimed responsibility. Lebanese, Palestinian and Israeli leaders joined Europe, Mexico and other countries in condemning the devastating attacks that caused as yet unknown casualties. Western European leaders broke off their normal business to return to their capitals for crisis meetings and expressed solidarity with the United States. From every corner of Europe, leaders condemned attacks they branded horrendous, abominable, disgusting, monstrous and abhorrent. The European Union (news - web sites) said it was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor 60 years ago and was ``one of those few days in life that one can actually say will change everything.'' ``This is an act of war by madmen,'' EU External Relations Commissioner Chris Patten told Reuters. Norway called it the worst terrorist attack in history. Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) expressed deep sympathy to the American people ``in connection with this terrorist act, this terrible tragedy.'' WESTERN EUROPE ``France has always condemned terrorism, condemns it without reserve and thinks we must fight terrorism by all means,'' President Jacques Chirac said as he broke off a regional tour to rush back to Paris. British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) expressed his disgust before racing back to London from a conference. ``This mass terrorism is the new evil in our world today. It is perpetrated by fanatics who are utterly indifferent to the sanctity of life,'' he said. Queen Elizabeth expressed ``total shock.'' ``The German people stand by the United States of America at this difficult hour,'' Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder wrote in a letter to Bush in which he pledged ``unlimited solidarity.'' Parliament in Berlin suspended normal business. Air traffic authorities said all flights leaving Europe to the United States had been suspended. Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar called the string of attacks a ``terrorist frenzy.'' Ordinary people also were horrified. ``It's crazy -- and if it's the U.S. today it'll be us tomorrow, you can bet. These people are crazy,'' said a stunned butcher in the French capital Paris. ARAFAT ``I send my condolences, the condolences of the Palestinian people to American President Bush and his government and to the American people for this terrible act,'' Palestinian President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) told reporters in Gaza. ``We completely condemn this serious operation...We were completely shocked. It's unbelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable.'' Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer told Israel's Army Radio it was ``simply a tragedy.'' ``It's simply a terrible thing,'' he said. ``These tragic actions contradict all human and religious values,'' Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri said. Mexico's President Vicente Fox (news - web sites) said: ``We reiterate our total, categorical rejection of all forms of violence, of all forms of terrorism.'' RESOLVE Britain, one of the United States's closest allies, offered all the help at its disposal to bring the perpetrators to justice. EU leaders said fighting guerrilla attacks would now top the agenda indefinitely. ``It's certainly going to mean that the fight against international terrorism is going to dominate the international agenda until it's won,'' the EU's Patten said. ``The international community must respond together to these disgusting acts,'' said Italian President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi. ``It is probably the largest attack we have ever seen against an open democracy and therefore an issue for the entire democratic world,'' said Sweden's Prime Minister Goran Persson. ``All democratic forces must form a united front.'' us.news2.yimg.com

To: The Philosopher who wrote (26464)	9/11/2001 2:17:30 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Hodkgins, I know I promised not to respond to you, but I will make a one time exception here. Want to try and correlate your post here with this clever little missive? But where I got into this was in feeling that McVeigh had some legitimate issues, but chose a wrong target. I don't see why the government should feel it can tromp all over people and not suffer any cost for it. Who wrote that, Hodgkins? Any guesses? Message 15939971 A lot of people have been tromped on all over the world. This may all be blowback from Afghanistan, where the US certainly played a large role in making that country the fun place it is today. There will certainly be calls for retaliation. If anything approaching tit-for-tat is attempted, a lot more innocent people will die. Are you advocating that?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (26464)	9/11/2001 6:10:27 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

No. But hunt, and seize, and punish the guilty - and only them. Show that we're better and will remain so. Should the UK have nuked Dublin in retaliation for the destruction of the Baltic Excange building, or the Omagh bombing, because there were certainly sympathisers and funders, probably abettors, in that city? For example, at least one plane was hijacked from Boston. There's possibly some of the pilot's organisation left there - they can't have got too far. 20 kilotons would probably kill these perpetrators. 200 kilotons of airbust nukes would surely kill them, eventually. With 'unavoidable collateral' damage, of course. Launch? But if you wouldn't do that, then how can you do it to Kabul? Meanwhile, if you want to stop all such attacks... then either remove the cause, or the possibility. The latter requires the removal of freedom, altogether. The terrorists would love that. The former? Well, genocide is hopefully not an option. That leaves finding the perpetrators... and/or dealing with the motive. And it's that last which will be the only enduring solution. <edit> the BBC is just reporting missile attacks, probably cruise missiles, landing in Kabul. So much for a tardeted, considered response. How much do you think the inhabitants of Kabul have even heard about today's horrors? How do you thingk Afghans there and around the world will react to the shelling of their capital, even now...