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To: Joe NYC who wrote (143326)	9/12/2001 11:35:06 AM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Oh yes, and the fact that the US did not allow German SS troops to just come to this country, or the Japanese soldiers was just a terrible lapse in our policy of freedom of religion. Ummm... no that's quite different. It was suggested that we should blackmark anyone of the Islamic faith. Now, if we know someone was a member of a terrorist organization, turn them away at the door (which we do), but to blackmark everyone of the Islamic faith sounds a bit like making Jews wear yellow Stars of David... And you forgot to mention the British nanny who shook that baby who might have caused the baby's death. There is no difference in in 100s of thousands of muslims that are being admitted to this country, many of whom share the goals of the terrorists who committed most of the anti-american attacks around the world and that British nanny. Singling the arabs/muslims is just one ugly act of intolerance on my part. I slapped both of my wrists for this offense of being so politically incorrect, as I sit here and expect more smoke to see from the windows of my apartment in the future as I have today. While I sit here being very tolerant, just allow me to pray that the next smoke cloud I see will not have mushroom shape. I pray that as well, but this isn't a case of being "politically correct." This is a case about protecting the U.S. Constitutuion which it seems far too many Americans are willing to throw on the fire in the name of vengeance. You abridge one person's rights under the Consitution... and you abridge everyone's... THAT'S what these fanatics yesterday WANT to happen... to make us scared enough, hurt enough, and mad enough to give up our Freedom and self determination... Well, during the WWII, a German unit was stationed in my home town in Europe, and in fact, 2 German soldiers stayed im my grandparents' house for a period of time, and they were the nicest people they could think of, became good friends and continued to exchange letters with my grandparents etc. But these people were also soldiers, they had to follow orders, and do what they were told. Those are the rules of the game, of war. Suppose a US bomber hit the house of my grandparents and killed those 2 soldiers. I guess in your eyes, it would have been an unspeakable strategy, since the 2 soldiers were not convicted by the jury of their peers, they were not read the Miranda rights, none of the "good stuff". I honestly don't see how you came to that conclusion. Those two were soldiers in a declared war. They are therefore a valid target. The bottom line is at this point is WE DON'T HAVE A VALID TARGET! Far too many people here are ready to blame the entire Islamic religion, and that's just plain wrong! Once we have a valid target, we pursue and eliminate that target with extreme prejudice. IMHO, we don't do it alone either... we get the Russians and Chinese involved so it isn't just a case of "Western aggression" to perpetuate the cycle... I am sure FDR and Churchill are fanatics in your eyes as well. You clearly misunderstood just about everything in my post and are speaking from anger an pain, and I want you to know share that pain (though I deal with it in different ways). On the contrary I wish we had an FDR or Churchill in the White House today rather than a Shrub...

To: Joe NYC who wrote (143326)	9/17/2001 6:30:39 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Jozef, RE: "Singling the arabs/muslims is just one ugly act of intolerance on my part. I slapped both of my wrists for this offense of being so politically incorrect, as I sit here and expect more smoke to see from the windows of my apartment in the future as I have today. While I sit here being very tolerant, just allow me to pray that the next smoke cloud I see will not have mushroom shape. But if it does happen, I promise that in the last seconds of my life, I will not jump to any conclusions, and think that the British nanny was just as likely culprit as Bin Laden, PLO or Hamas. " ------------------ First, I am very glad that you are okay and safe after experiencing such a horrible disaster. Having said that, I have contacts and Jewish friends that have experienced this horrible disaster as well as yourself, though their reaction is markedly different than yours. Your reaction seems to blindly target a particular religion/race, muslims/arabs. I wanted to point this out to you. I think you need to do some introspection. RE: "Guilty until proven innocent, now???" Muslims are innocent. Arabs are innocent. Terrorists are guilty. This is a war on terrorism, not on a particular country. You somehow need to find peace within your soul, so that anger isn't cycled, perpetuated, or misplaced. It's easy to say, but so hard to implement, and I wish I could help provide that internal peace. Here's some quotes from articles: "We Muslims love our country as you do, and we are bleeding and grieving alongside of you.” "In the first few days after the bombing in Oklahoma City, more than 200 incidents of harassment, threats and violence were reported. One such incident resulted in a miscarriage. We need an international tribunal for the culprits. And we need to bury our dead in peace." "I'm confused," said Ali Berry, a senior linebacker and offensive guard, who sat at a table in his coach's office after Friday night's game. "This loss of life ... And yet people, they can be so ignorant, they think we don't care. It was a shock to everybody." Arabs/Muslims in this country are noticeably very nervous. The other day, when I was walking in one of the local cities, my simple presence unintentionally startled a Muslim man that was walking down the street. When I went to a gas station on Saturday, there was a Muslim worker who looked noticeably nervous. I gave him my biggest and warmest smile, which seemed to warm him from head to toe and with gratitude he gave a big smile back. He'll probably go home and tell his family, who in turn will tell their friends. Letting some of the kindness spread, helps people find some peace, which is the best counter to all of this bad stuff. You asked, "What rights do immigrants from Muslim countries have?" The same right for safety that Americans have, as follows: "U.S. Commission on Civil Rights - federal commission that has established a hotline (1-800-552-6843) to report incidents discrimination against Arab and Muslim Americans in the wake of the terror attacks." usccr.gov They lost their lives in the WTC too. Regards, Amy J