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To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 2:21:43 AM
From: Mani1	Respond to of 275872

Jamok, Excellent post. Mani

To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 2:52:21 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 275872

What you end up with is a mess like the endless Israeli-Palestinian problem of endless terrorism and endless retribution. Israeli intelligence is probably the most efficient in the world. And car bombs constantly go off in Israel, killing civilians, and Palestinians continually die in retaliatory raids, and so it goes, on and on. And there, my friend,is the weakness of a free society - there is no good answer to such heinous terrorism, unless you're willing to risk continual counter-retribution. The best justice that can be had without getting caught in this spiral of escalation of retribution is probably what the US did with the Lockerbie terrorism - it took years of endless negotiation, an agreement not to execute the defendants if found guilty, and a sense of ineffectuality and helpless rage on the part of the victim's families - and that's the rub - such attacks expose our underlying helplessless, and that's a nearly unbearable feeling for a country founded in and on action. Sure, we can retaliate devastatingly - we could turn Afghanistan into a nuclear-ravaged moonscape with no sweat - but are we willing to accept the conseuences that such retribution likely will entail? Yes, the urge to action is almost irresistible - but what constitutes effective action while preserving the safety of our loved ones - I see no good answer to that a question. Jamok, well said. ted

To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 2:57:51 AM
From: maui_dude	Respond to of 275872

Jamok, excellent post. The urge to counter-attack at this point sounds irresistible. However, if US must counter-attack, they must certainly be extremely careful in not targetting civilians and must resist excessive force. Unfortunately, it appears like the world is waiting for US to make the next move and I am afraid that a non-action (or a delayed action) may be viewed as a sign of weakness (and affect their confidence and the global economy). Sad day indeed. Maui.

To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 3:53:24 AM
From: FJB	Respond to of 275872

we could turn Afghanistan into a nuclear-ravaged moonscape with no sweat - but are we willing to accept the conseuences that such retribution likely will entail? Only if they are responsible. Yes, I have no problem with wiping out the SCUM(and everyone related to the SCUM) that did this and as quickly as possible. Have a nice day, like Mani told us.

To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 10:12:16 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

J., you get the cool head of the day award for that post. For the record, I have no sympathy for the hijackers, but they're all dead. What their organizational base was is speculative at this point. Afghanistan is an easy target for retaliation, but Afghanistan is, by all indications, such a miserable place at this point, it's hard to see how anything short of nuclear attack would show up on the screen there. Any kind of proportional response would kill many more innocent people. Is that what we want? Is that what America stands for? I agree with you on Lockerbie as a precedent. The wheels of justice sometimes grind slowly, but I'd say we're better off living with that than looking for somebody to bomb into the stone age for a quick revenge fix. Back in Afghanistan, they seem to have gone back close enough to the stone age already.

To: jamok99 who wrote (54600)	9/12/2001 10:45:04 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Jamok, I am not sure about the precise strategy for the response to current attack, but IMO, the justice for those involved in previous incidents would be a death penalty applied very widely. Suppose they met at somebody's home where they discussed these actions. Who else was there? Since they didn't come forward to authorities, they are co-conspirators. What about the temple they attended? Did someone say "Death to America"? To me that's an accomplice, because you never know how someone will interpret those words, and apparently, the people interpretted those actions to mean an attempt to murder 50,000 people in WTC. There are millitant islamic groups operating inside the US, they have places to meet, they make financial contributions. Trace the money. The NYC cab drivers send money to Afganistan. Investigate them and find to whom they send the money. Can any of the money be traced to the terrorist groups? If so, the prosecution should start right away. I think the laws regarding terrorism should be strenghten substantially, and every activity, however peripheral, should have a high penalty. How about radical islamic publications? What do they write? Who are their subscribers? Who are the editors and writers? This is extreme "profiling", and that is exactly what should happen. Why do people rob banks? Because that's where the money is. Why profile islamic groups? Because theat's where the terrorists come from. I am not in favor of something like internment of Japanese, but I am all for watching everyone who is any way related to activities of the radical islamic groups. This startegy would cause no harm or inconvenience to vast majority of arabs or muslim in this country, but would make life extremely difficult to the radicals. How about enforcing all the immigration laws that are already on the books for people who turned up on any of the "suspect" lists? Even if we don't have enough on the person to convict him to lock him up, it is better to have the person deported than leave him operating from inside the US. Dealing with people inside the US would go a long way in preventing the terrorist attacks. Those outside of the US would be more difficult to deal with, but we should start with easy and do-able things first and eventually move on to hard things. I think a sweep of the US based sympathizers and collaborators would turn up a goldmine of information about their foreign connections. Joe