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To: Bill Jackson who wrote (54637)	9/12/2001 10:21:01 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Slavery was a growing institution at the time of the Civil war. For 100+ years after the civil war, there was a bizarre version of history taught in the US that said the South was fighting for a noble cause. You might want to check this article out for some background. The Enduring Legacy of the South's Civil War Victory nytimes.com

To: Bill Jackson who wrote (54637)	9/12/2001 11:31:10 AM
From: eCo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Bill:What if machines get smarter and smarter and are granted sentient status, they have right etc, so they would want to get paid and would be free to self determine their lives. Did you see this? Physicist Warns Humans About A.I. BERLIN (AP) - People get ready: the machines are coming. That's the word from famed British physicist Stephen Hawking, who says if humans hope to compete with the rising tide of artificial intelligence, they'll have to improve through genetic engineering. In an interview released Saturday with the newsmagazine Focus, Hawking said science could increase the complexity of DNA and ``improve'' human beings. He conceded that it would be a long process, ``but we should follow this road if we want biological systems to remain superior to electronic ones.'' ``In contrast with our intellect, computers double their performance every 18 months,'' he added. ``So the danger is real that they could develop intelligence and take over the world.'' ``We must develop as quickly as possible technologies that make possible a direct connection between brain and computer, so that artificial brains contribute to human intelligence rather than opposing it,'' Hawking said. dailynews.yahoo.com ****** Given his problems with ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease), it's easy to see why he'd be so amenable to "a direct connection between brain and computer". eCo P.S. This is getting a little closer to being on topic. :)

To: Bill Jackson who wrote (54637)	9/12/2001 2:55:00 PM
From: ptanner	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Bill, Re: "Even Greeks had slaves and became splaves in their turn." Some old history book noted that slavery was a step up from the original disposition of captured enemies which was to simply kill them. Re: "It was not until all people gained the right of self determination that slavery ended. The South did not want to get rid of all their expensive slave/machinery as they would then have to work for a living or hire workers." Slaves in the South were very valuable by the time of the Civil War but once owned vastly improved the economics of the large-scale farming operations. Could we apply similar logic to many of the publicly funded water "reclamation" projects in the western US which provide extremely low cost water to principally corporate farming operations, despite the fact that the original charters for the programs specifically limited acreage to family scale farming? Now that the limits of the west's water resources are being strained and the environmental impacts are becoming more acknowledged will we be willing to say that a group should give up "its water"? (I am re-reading Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner and am astounded by the corruption and inefficiency. But that is what pork barrel projects are all about..) -PT