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To: chowder who wrote (7768)	9/12/2001 7:04:28 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 23153

My current thoughts on how we may want to deal with Mr. Bin Laden and those like him... Message 16340806 Best Regards, Scott

To: chowder who wrote (7768)	9/12/2001 7:07:58 PM
From: Gottfried	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23153

dabum, German newspaper reports bin Laden under house arrest. Message 16340769 The paper got the story from the Arabic Online-Journal Ilaf. G.

To: chowder who wrote (7768)	9/12/2001 8:31:23 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23153

Dabum, I may not be an astute enough student of history to differentiate between the German and Japanese conflicts on one hand and the Islamic fundamentalist conflict of ideology on the other, but it seems that there are some real differences. One that jumps out to me is the difference between the flames of patriotism and obedience in Japan and Germany versus the flames of religion and fanaticism with fundamentalists in the Arab world. Patriots become heroic figures, religious fanatics become martyrs. Patriots die heroic deaths and become legends, martyrs go straight to nirvana. Patriots inspire countrymen, martyrs inspire religious believers across all nationalities and national borders. I fear the second much more than the first. I grew up tough and got in street fights with adults when I was 15-16 years old and up. I know how important it is to fight to win and to win the fight. If we fight we should win. The question is when we fight, how we fight and who we fight. I'm sure you remember that when you fought you wanted to be on the right side of the fight. If the fight had no reason, you wanted to be sure the other guy started it. If the fight had a reason, you wanted to be sure that you were on the right side of the reason. If you were, then if the other guy got hurt you knew he deserved it. You also knew that his friends and family might be restrained from retaliation by the realization that he had asked for what he got if you never went to far. I think those simple rules apply to nations as well as individuals. I may be naive but I think that there is, to some extent, an undercurrent of understanding and adherence to common rules of behavior among many people in the world, including non-radical fundamentalists. The crime/war distinction is important. If there is crime, then you should work with a foreign government to apprehend the criminals. If it is war, then the will of the government is irrelevant since you are at war with it. Ed