To: SBHX who wrote (27233 ) 9/13/2001 9:56:00 AM From: James Calladine Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 30051 "there are certain principles that clearly are absolute" Well, are they? The point that you make is that the folks on flight 93 fought back. Certainly meritorious and completely human. But is that an ABSOLUTE principle? There is a story about a great Muslim Saint by the name, I believe, of Al Halaj(sp?). He met his end by being fallen upon by brigands with swords, who sliced him up in pieces. During this time (according to witnesses)he continued to shout: "You can't fool me! I see who you are!" (meaning something like: "I know there is nothing but You, God, even if (in these forms) you are ending this life". Such a statement comes from the vantage point that there is NOTHING but the Divine. So in the two situations, flight 93 passengers and Al Halaj, both are meeting their end at the hands of others-- but with very different approaches to the matter.....! Is there an ABSOLUTE between the two or are there just two different points of view? If there is an absolute, my feeling is that it is the second. But I expect that many other people would see it differently. That is something we are ALL entitled to-- Westerners, Easterners, EVERYBODY. To see things as we choose to do. "the belief system of killing us as their path to heaven is also wrong." is something else you said. Of course it is. But is it not just another version of "we will seek out the perpetrators of this horror and eliminate them", which is more or less the official US point of view? Will that do the trick? Are the deranged people the root-cause of terrorism? Not in my view. You also said: "and it should not be hard to keep these great teachers out of circulation" The "religious" leaders who advocate murder have NOTHING to do with the true Islamic Teaching. A very strong argument could be made that Mohammed was as great a Teacher as Krishna, The Buddha, Jesus, Zoroaster and many others. Radical Terrorism is no part of any of these Teachings, and never has been. However, removing ANY religious Teacher of any flavor from circulation is no trivial task. There are a number of TV preachers in the US that I believe are purveyors of highly questionable "theology". But I would not like to have the job of removing them from circulation....... Terrorism is not the root-cause of anything--it is the manifestation of disenfranchisement, poverty, ignorance, fear which in turn are USED by corrupt leadership for its own ends, by placing the BLAME on others, and using HATE to motivate. Remove the root causes and new leadership arises which will reflect the changed circumstance. Cooperation + tolerance = Peace Namaste! Jim