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Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: James Calladine who wrote (27261)	9/13/2001 10:01:40 AM
From: w0z	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30051

"Cooperation + tolerance = Peace" Great theory...how much tolerance is the Taliban exhibiting toward Hinduism and Christianity...not to mention Judaism?

To: James Calladine who wrote (27261)	9/13/2001 10:52:29 AM
From: SBHX	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30051

James, I think the real problem is that there are many eternal fence sitters like me who certainly like the theory of the perfect solution more than trying to resolve hard problems. Why should we worry about something happening far away. When we read newspapers, we wring our hands and worry about it and move on. It is someone else's problem. Well guess what? It's not someone else's problem. When looked on in that light, it boils down to a simple matter of what we believe. Something has changed in the last two days. As much as you have a right to your own opinion, I do not share them, and I believe the passengers on United Flight 93 did the right thing. I believe they know chances are they will die anyway, but they'd rather die fighting trying to save the lifes of others. These hijackers on the other hand, while willing to die, they were trying to take as many lifes with them as possible. It cannot be clearer than that. If there is no difference in there, then I'm afraid I cannot comprehend your train of thought. I have said that truly religious and tolerant religious leaders should deserve our support, and the ones who are teaching death to enemies are spreading what I call 'Hate Literature'. There are already laws in many countries about hate literature, and going to trial and jail time if convicted for advocating murder is a well established tenet of rule of law in many western countries. To have it spelled out universally in the laws of the land in all countries is not impossible to do if enough governments believe it is important enough. As long as there is Rule of Law, the enforcement of these rules is now a black and white issue and there will be less discussions about who is right or wrong --- This is why many modern societies today cherish the rule of law above religion. regards, SbH

To: James Calladine who wrote (27261)	9/13/2001 12:17:12 PM
From: Bosco	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30051

<ot>Hi Jim - like everyone else, I'd like to respect your POV, even if it doesn't make sense to me. However, for [friendly] discussion purposes, it seems that many people here do not know where you come from [figuratively.] To begin with, one of the greatest diplomatic quotes in my book is [I paraphrase] "pay due to God that belongs to God and Ceasar Ceasar's.] There is no difference here in terms of absolute and ABSOLUTE, even if you believe in Brahma and Atman etc etc. If one is a Canadian, one is under the Canadian Charter on Canadian soil. If one is an American, then the American Constitutions. Some rights are indeed more equal than others. You probably won't find a loud mouth like myself caught babbling in some dictatorial regime. Ultimately, the sacrosanct nature of lives and sacrifice for a greater good is universally accepted by benevolent religions and civilized societies, more so than the nature of divinity. To say that preventing a murderer from slaughtering innocent is a POV probably is more acceptable by an amoralist than by a genuine practitioner of Vedenta [just my ignorant opinion, of course.] Sure, if one doesn't want to deal with mundane affairs, one can probably go to a Monastary or a Cloister --- or even retire to some tropic island <G>! However, as you have insisted, the divine is in oneself. So, as the great saying in "Buckaroo Bonzai in the Eighth Dimension" states, "Wherever you go, there you are!" There is no dodging it. So, these people chose the path of sacrifice, it sounds like more than a POV. Sure, some may not have theological underpinning of their decision, but it stemmed from the heartspring. Sure, they may even base their decision from Pascalesque Probability Calculus. Still, the outcome is for the benefit of the greater good. So, it doesn't matter is one is in an Ashram, a Christic commune or a kibbutz, it is closer to perfection than a mere POV! Of course, don't get me wrong, elimination root cause of some affliction is a great idea. However, stopping mad (wo)men from causing greater harm to innocent is no less a calling than Arjuna being a warrior best, Bosco