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To: jamok99 who wrote (54950)	9/13/2001 1:57:57 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Jamok, Much of what you propose in the name of retaliation and security would make America indistinguishable from, I hate to say it, Nazi Germany in some respects - squash free speech (pamphlet publishers deemed as 'subversive' are liable to be prosecuted) Let's take a murder. Suppose one individual murders someone with no influence from others. It is pretty straight forward. Now suppose one individual hires a killer for hire and has someone murdered. Who do you think is the murderer? Who would you prosecute? I think the standard procedure is to prosecute both. Now suppose the payment is not monetary, but say promise sex or marriage. Suppose a young mistress urges the man to murder his wife, and he does. Is the mistress guilty? To me she is. So the payment does not have to be monetary. Now suppose a clergy person offers more than sex and money - eternal salvation as a reward for murder, and the follower proceeds to commit murder. Don't you think the cleric is guilty? I think he is. Suppose you have another member of clergy who does identical thing as the first one, but his follower does not proceed to murder anyone, or he fails. But he committed exactly the same act - Crime. Exactly the same crime should have exactly the same punishment. This happens to be the chain of command of the fundamentalist groups, and to break it may seem like Nazi Germany to you, but to me it is just a valid self defense, until the threat is no longer there. Joe

To: jamok99 who wrote (54950)	9/13/2001 2:46:04 AM
From: bacchus_ii	Respond to of 275872

Great post jamok. 100% with you. Gottfried

To: jamok99 who wrote (54950)	9/13/2001 7:32:01 AM
From: andreas_wonisch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Jamok, great post. While I understand the anger of many Americans here on the thread I think the terrorists would have achieved their goals if the US would use "police state" methods to hunt them down. It's IMO very similar to the period after the Second World War. Instead of condemning all Germans (and executing all Nazis) the US made a fair trial for the remaining members of the Nazi regime and helped the rest of the population to build up their (our) country again. This paied off big time in the end. Andreas