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To: High-Tech East who wrote (45254)	9/13/2001 12:44:02 PM
From: JDN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Dear Ken: Addi knows very well we mean him nor any other Moslem ill will who is not involved in terrorist activity. I suspect Addi would be glad to lend a hand in the struggle to eliminate terrorism. So quit trying to look like the good guy and make us patriots out to be bad. JDN

To: High-Tech East who wrote (45254)	9/15/2001 12:27:21 AM
From: cheryl williamson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 64865

Hi Ken, What you call "rhetoric" from JDN & me is rapidly becoming official US foreign policy. All Arabic/Islamic peoples living in this country should welcome the forceful positions being taken by the Bush administration, just as much as any US citizen. It's for their protection too. If they have something to hide, however, you may hear them squeeling like stuck pigs. The American people are a tolerant people, a reasonable people, an inclusive people. In Iran, there are no debates over foreign or domestic policy. Any criticism of the government can lead to immediate imprisonment, as it did last week for a female Iranian filmmaker. Her crime? "seditious content to films that should have glorified the Islamic revolution". Then there are the British women in Saudi Arabia who were arrested earlier this year, jailed, beaten, and tortured (whip) in prison for not wearing the chador in public. Notice the word "British" there. Then there were the 50 men (accused homosexuals) arrested in Egypt this past summer under their Koran-influenced laws against male prostitution for the crime of gathering in the same restaurant at the same time. All 50 were put on a show-trial in front of Moslem clerics (NOT secular judges) and their family names + pictures published throughout the middle east. Then there were the Iranian wives who were murdered by their husbands for wearing makeup in public. The husbands were not charged with a crime. Then there are the stats showing Islamic women to have the highest incidence of depression and suicide of any grouping of women in the world. I could go on and on, but you get the idea, right Ken? This "inflammatory rhetoric" as you call it, is nothing.

To: High-Tech East who wrote (45254)	9/17/2001 2:56:48 AM
From: uu	Respond to of 64865

Dear Ken, <OT> Thank you for your kind comments. For the record, I am originally from Iran. Came to this country when I was 16 a little over 23 years ago, have worked very hard to get to where I am today, and I am thankful to God for the opportunities and blessings this great country has given me. And I am not a Moslem. I belong to a religion known as Zoroastrian which is perhaps one of the oldest (if not the oldest) religion in the world. This is what Persia used to be prior to Arabs invasion which resulted in forcing everyone becoming Moslem (in the area which today is known as Iran). In any event, I am not a religious man. In fact I believe religions of all kinds are the most horrific phenomenons man ever created for which they are used as weapons of mass destruction for harm, and hurting purposes. People always tend to interpret religions in self-serving unjust manners which ultimately has hurt others. Prosperity, I believe comes, through good deeds, good thoughts, and good words, and of course believing in a supreme being we often call God (as a point of reference). And I do strongly believe that one is blessed and prospered if - and only if - one wishes the same blessing and prosperity for others. And that is it. no more, no less. As for the negative rhetoric we hear these days everywhere, by people like Cheryld and John on this thread, it is understood of course. And why not? It is only human nature. Generalization is a manifestation of not knowing the whole thing, and yet it is the only natural thing one can do when one is angered, or hurt. They say Isalm is a great religion, and they say Christianity is a great religion, and they say Jewism is a great religion and they say Zoroastrianism is a great religion, and so on and so on. You tell me, what is so great about something that can be interpretted so differently by so many with each interpretation harming so many others? John Lennon said, Imagine no religion... Just close your eyes and imagine a world with absolutely no religion. What do you see? Harmony and peace? Definitely NOT for which human beings always will be human beings: There will always be some excuse, some concept to hurt one another. However, the notion of "no religion" is very appealing indeed if we want to have a better (if not perfect) world! And sadly though, Cheryl and John are correct to some extend with their rhetorics and generaization of certain notions and perceptions for which despite their superficial understanding of manners, bottom line - in most parts - their conclusions are true - and I myself do tend to also strongly agree with them with certain notions such as total elimination of groups such as the Tallibans, or Hezbolallahs, or wiping out the governments of certain states (mostly for their terrorism supported activities) such as Lybia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, etc. And yes in the process (and sadly) innocents will be hurt as well. And The problem emerges when the types of generalizations John and Cheryl are making become out of control. I just heard on ABC a few moments ago that yesterday an Indian Sikh and a Pakistani who had beard and wearing turbins were murdered in cold blood somewhere in Texas because of the same generalizations made by those who committed the murders. Hatred never accomplishes anything but total destruction of one's own existence and others. But that is a whole different topic we can discuss for years! :) Regards,