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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (26995)	9/13/2001 5:04:50 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

There were Shinto suicide bombers, interestingly enough. Anyway, there may be exploitable elements in Islam that can lead to this, but I would not say that they are marked, or we would be inundated with suicide bombers, instead of having incident be fairly sporadic......

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (26995)	9/13/2001 5:13:30 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Respond to of 82486

Throughout history there have been those who seek to kill and destroy in the name of their religion. I do not believe it is fair to impugn the faith of others because of evil men and women bent on hatred. I don't think that is your intent either, Laz. And I do not buy the "moral" equivalency argument that "they" think they are right just as much as "we" believe in our cause effectively negating both. I believe there are intrinsic values pertaining to life and liberty that transcend the major religions of the world, while acknowledging there are just as equally perversions of those faiths that should not be accorded the same respect. Message 16344329

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (26995)	9/13/2001 5:30:18 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is my understanding that the Qur'an expressly forbids suicide and the killing of innocents.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (26995)	9/13/2001 5:39:07 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You left off Confucian. The kamakazi pilots of WWII were all suicide bombers. Where do you think this idea of planes as human directed bombs came from? Thank you, Japan.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (26995)	9/14/2001 12:19:00 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 82486

In addition to all replies to this series of "unspeakables", I'd like to add, "What is the point of your questions?" There are always those that will die for their religion or political cause. The Crusades come to mind. The Filipinos fighting against the imperialism of the U.S. comes to mind. American Indian attacks. Others have mentioned other suicidal warriors. Should we "Remember the Alamo?" Currently, the most notable suicidal warriors are Muslim. However, I don't think that their religion is the root cause. Some people aren't open to discussion of root causes - it can be painful to do it. It can't be our fault in any way, in their opinion. Well that's all well and good, but one can provoke an attack by several mechanisms. One is to simply be visible. We are that. The other is to p!ss people off. We've done that. The other is to be complacent. We, unfortunately, have been that. Does this mean that I am sympathetic to the attackers. Absolutely not. I'm an ex-Navy guy and I volunteered. I don't think I need to defend my patriotism for my dissent and rejection of jingoistic, simple-minded words. A lot of the people that have criticized the patriotism of others who ask these kinds of questions have no track record of service of their own, but I won't use ad hominem attack to discredit them. This should be a forum for ideas which stand or fall on their own merit, not the merit of the speaker. We have to pretend that we are on the other side of the fence looking in at us. What would we see? If we can do that, then at least we can gain some insight into the minds of the attackers. We also need to protect ourselves. Security in the U.S. will increase. We are, sadly, no longer secure in our cocoon