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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (27156)	9/14/2001 12:39:49 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You have no need to defend your patriotism, Cosmic. None of us does.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (27156)	9/14/2001 3:11:46 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

We are, sadly, no longer secure in our cocoon Yeah. Those two oceans that used to protect us don't mean much any more. Sigh.

To: cosmicforce who wrote (27156)	9/14/2001 4:42:04 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Some people aren't open to discussion of root causes - it can be painful to do it. I don't think it's about pain. This medium just doesn't lend itself well to discussions of complex or subtle concepts under the best of circumstances. When you try to do it in times of war, anything less than full agreement looks like treason. It's just not feasible, IMO. Karen

To: cosmicforce who wrote (27156)	9/14/2001 5:06:52 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Some people aren't open to discussion of root causes There's a difference between the discussion of root causes in a peceived attempt to solve a problem, and the discussion of root causes in a perceived attempt to excuse behavior. All human acts have root causes. Many, many humans have suffered acts which raise legitimate grievances against others. But they do not excuse inexcusable acts. And when the victim believes that this is what is being attempted, anger is inevitable. Would you go up to a rape victim the day after she was brutally raped and say "well, you know, we should understand that your rapist had viable root causes behind his rape of you, that he was beaten as a child, and I want you to consider this even as you are crying out for him to be punished"? If you would, you are far more insensitive than I give you credit for. But IMO that's quite similar to what you are doing here. You seem to be suggesting that these root causes somehow create at least a partial excuse for the bombings and the taking of many thousands of lives. I don't know about you, but I don't believe there is anything anybody has done to anybody in the past fifty years that could excuse such acts. Or should even be considered as possibly excusing them. Yours is the wrong message at the wrong time to the wrong people. And I think you know it.