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To: JPR who wrote (11521)	9/15/2001 10:27:43 PM
From: ratan lal	Respond to of 12475

A religion and its tenets must stand on their own merits and intrinsic value. When a god-given religion needs human protectors, that religion is not worth its name, no matter what the name of that religion is. A system that practices mutilation for ordinary crimes is a cruel system and the adherents of that system are subhuman. A system that ignores and allows murderous crimes against their women and children is a dangerous and despicable system. --JPR very well put !

To: JPR who wrote (11521)	9/16/2001 7:15:33 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 12475

Dear JPR: Thank you for your detailed comments. I am not sure I am prepared to go that deeply into the discussion or whether I have enough facts to go that deeply. I need to think more about what you said first. If I do reply it will be with a general argument that it is not enough to "eliminate" the leaders of this element unless you can address the causes from whence his following springs. That is: Poverty, ignorance, repression, & the perception that the West in general pulls the economic strings to which Arab nations have to dance. Without that another Bin Laden will arise. I regret the shock that you must have personally endured when you learned the site of the attack. Bill

To: JPR who wrote (11521)	9/17/2001 9:28:48 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12475

Dear JPR: I have reread your detailed message to me in post #11521. In general I find it very unresponsive to my points. You seem to be saying that certain governments and faiths should be simply disregarded and ignored, and it almost sounds like you are saying that they should be eradicated. If so, I don't see this as practical or a workable solution to the problem of terrorism on a long term basis. IMHO, we have to put into place policies and procedures that will foster economic conditions that will allow the rise of a self sustainable Arab/Mulism middle class which in turn will allow the rise of moderate political leaders and policies. India, for example, is on the cusp of great economic growth due to the rise of a technical based, skill based, middle class. In fact, if this beginning growth can be nurtured and protected and allowed to prosper it could become a real role model for other countries in the region. I do believe in the short term we have to target the specific terrorist targets that are identified, and possibly give massive support to the fragile opposition to the Taliban in that country (money, weapons, training, and on the ground advisiors). But we do not want to overreact here and appear to Islamic populations that we are engaged in some kind of "Crusade" against them or their governments. Bill